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Champion Hurdle 2021

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  • Originally posted by Kautothegreat8 View Post

    Not at all .... I just cant get excited watching a race that's paced by Sceau Royal
    Did her jumping not excite you?



    I'd struggle to enjoy the sport if a performance like that didn't excite me.

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    • Originally posted by riccirich View Post
      Impressive visually but worth remembering it was a four horse race against champion hurdle outsiders, and she was getting 11lb from sceau royal


      dont know how I got it in my head she was getting an extra 4lb, but first part still stands
      Hand on heart.
      Who in the likely contenders for her crown aren't outsiders ?
      Who would have made her work harder today ?

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      • I saw Ruby point it other, and clear today, her acceleration is just absolutely lethal.

        If she gets the job done in March I might finally forgive her for letting down my 100/1 on the day acca in 2019

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        • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

          Hand on heart.
          Who in the likely contenders for her crown aren't outsiders ?
          Who would have made her work harder today ?
          You dont think theres anything in the CH market better than sceau royal? My intention isnt to bash epatante, she obviously good, but unexposed types open to any amount of improvement like saint roi , saldier and aba, who she hasnt beaten yet, could surely give her more to think about than sceau royal?

          Im curious what people thought would be the outcome of todays race beforehand, I thought she would win comfortably, so shes just done exactly as I expected, but I dont know why the jockey trying to show off should leave me extra impressed?

          I just dont know how todays performance was an improvement on her ch winning form, could something even like sharjah not have done something similar to sceau royal today?

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          • Originally posted by riccirich View Post

            You dont think theres anything in the CH market better than sceau royal? My intention isnt to bash epatante, she obviously good, but unexposed types open to any amount of improvement like saint roi , saldier and aba, who she hasnt beaten yet, could surely give her more to think about than sceau royal?

            Im curious what people thought would be the outcome of todays race beforehand, I thought she would win comfortably, so shes just done exactly as I expected, but I dont know why the jockey trying to show off should leave me extra impressed?

            I just dont know how todays performance was an improvement on her ch winning form, could something even like sharjah not have done something similar to sceau royal today?
            There are a few better than sceau royal, but she was way better then what we got to see. It was obvious to my eye.
            Saldier is the only one that could be anything, the rest look a little exposed now, but could still be talked about as challengers come the day.
            But they'd need everything to go well for them and not for her.
            She'll be odds on.

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            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

              Did her jumping not excite you?



              I'd struggle to enjoy the sport if a performance like that didn't excite me.
              When I say excite .... I mean in a sense of a bet. Sceau Royal is a horse that relies on a sprint finish to win his races. The face he was the pace setter obviously tells you it wasnt a true run race.

              The race we have watched today IMO has absolutely no bearing on the champion hurdle. Yes Epetante was super impressive but we all ready knew that.

              As for the fishing comment with Goshan ...... let's just say I dont suffer with memory loss

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              • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                There are a few better than sceau royal, but she was way better then what we got to see. It was obvious to my eye.
                Saldier is the only one that could be anything, the rest look a little exposed now, but could still be talked about as challengers come the day.
                But they'd need everything to go well for them and not for her.
                She'll be odds on.
                Few better ?????? I could name 10

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                • Originally posted by Kautothegreat8 View Post

                  Few better ?????? I could name 10
                  Be a waste of time though wouldn't it.
                  And a few could be 10

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                  • Originally posted by Kautothegreat8 View Post

                    When I say excite .... I mean in a sense of a bet. Sceau Royal is a horse that relies on a sprint finish to win his races. The face he was the pace setter obviously tells you it wasnt a true run race.

                    The race we have watched today IMO has absolutely no bearing on the champion hurdle. Yes Epetante was super impressive but we all ready knew that.

                    As for the fishing comment with Goshan ...... let's just say I dont suffer with memory loss
                    Ah okay, in sense of betting I see what you mean.

                    I do suffer with memory loss, I assume you still fancy Goshen?

                    Fair enough.... good luck with him.

                    If he's 20/1+ I'll add him

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                    • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                      There are a few better than sceau royal, but she was way better then what we got to see. It was obvious to my eye.
                      Saldier is the only one that could be anything, the rest look a little exposed now, but could still be talked about as challengers come the day.
                      But they'd need everything to go well for them and not for her.
                      She'll be odds on.
                      Of course she had more in the tank, thats not what im saying, but if sceau royal ran in last years churdle where do you think he would have finished? I would say he'd have been beaten upwards of 10 lengths, so is epatante beating him today by an unextended 4.5 lengths a big improvement? She might well have improved, but I dont think winning todays poor race in any manner is a definite indicator of that.

                      im surprised to hear you talking about saint roi and aba as a "little exposed" and them needing things to go wrong for epatante already, they are both inexperieced and are not getting anything like their ideal race conditions in their races so far this season.

                      epatante is of course very good as we already knew after the churdle, I just dont think we've learned anything new about her from todays race. Only my opinion of course

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                      • Originally posted by riccirich View Post

                        Of course she had more in the tank, thats not what im saying, but if sceau royal ran in last years churdle where do you think he would have finished? I would say he'd have been beaten upwards of 10 lengths, so is epatante beating him today by an unextended 4.5 lengths a big improvement? She might well have improved, but I dont think winning todays poor race in any manner is a definite indicator of that.

                        im surprised to hear you talking about saint roi and aba as a "little exposed" and them needing things to go wrong for epatante already, they are both inexperieced and are not getting anything like their ideal race conditions in their races so far this season.

                        epatante is of course very good as we already knew after the churdle, I just dont think we've learned anything new about her from todays race. Only my opinion of course
                        Kind of what I said, might be waiting a while for their ideal race. And even when it happens, she'd have to falter.

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                        • I do still really fancy Goshen. Feel like hes the forgotten horse just because of his flat runs.

                          Look at it a different way ....... Aspire Tower has beaten Abacadabras with season. Abacadabras has beaten Saint Roi.

                          Just look what Goshen was in the process of doing to aspire tower at Cheltenham.

                          If anything I feel as if he should have shortened in the betting but instead hes been pushed out to double figure odds. I think its madness

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                          • Originally posted by Kautothegreat8 View Post
                            I do still really fancy Goshen. Feel like hes the forgotten horse just because of his flat runs.

                            Look at it a different way ....... Aspire Tower has beaten Abacadabras with season. Abacadabras has beaten Saint Roi.

                            Just look what Goshen was in the process of doing to aspire tower at Cheltenham.

                            If anything I feel as if he should have shortened in the betting but instead hes been pushed out to double figure odds. I think its madness
                            We just need to see him don't we ?
                            He'd set up the champion hurdle nicely, if he's on form.

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                            • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                              We just need to see him don't we ?
                              He'd set up the champion hurdle nicely, if he's on form.
                              Yes we do ....... but is that justification to see him drift like a barge ???

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                              • Originally posted by Kautothegreat8 View Post

                                Yes we do ....... but is that justification to see him drift like a barge ???
                                Personally, her performance today means Yes.
                                Why does it bother you ?
                                Back it again.

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