Mares Novice Hurdle 2021

[charlie]

Feel like I'm the only person that wasn't that impressed by gauloise

Feel like from what she's achieved on the track shes an awful price at 5/1

If she wasn't a mullins horse she'd be double or triple the price she is

Add me to the list too FF91 for the same reasons.

[Quevega]

Add me to the list too FF91 for the same reasons.

And me.
I'm open minded though as I can see the gears aspect that energumene was referring too.

[Kevloaf]

If she wasn't a Mullins horse she's have less chance of winning it though.
I don't know exactly how much, but he's definitely a positive and it's factored in to the price for that reason.

If I get put in charge of training Gauloise from tomorrow, what price would she drift to

[charlie]

If she wasn't a Mullins horse she's have less chance of winning it though.
I don't know exactly how much, but he's definitely a positive and it's factored in to the price for that reason.

If I get put in charge of training Gauloise from tomorrow, what price would she drift to

And she'd be a double figure price and not 5/1

9/1

[Energumene]

Upping the ante they gave Gauloise as the bismark of the meeting, plenty dont like her.

Thats why youre still getting great value on her.

[Energumene]

Elite form is established at the festivals when high level racing fully exposes them, not at Thurles in December. Although beating a mid 100s G3 placed flat horse isnt bad going in the context of the mares novice hurdle division, her form isnt why i fancy her.

Apparently many people dont see her quality and think shes priced purely on being trained by Mullins, but her profile alone entitles her to massive respect given the history of the race. If she wins the solerina in decent style youll be lucky to get 9/4.

[The King Pimm]

The mare for me who has had very little coverage so far is The Glancing Queen. Just like Let’s Dance & Consertiesta she is an experienced novice so has plenty of racing experience under her belt even though she spent a number of months off the track injured. She has competed in some strong races this season most notably her last race where she was beat by the current Ballymore Fav. Am I right in saying that Alan King has recently mentioned the mares novice hurdle is the most likely target for her?? I think if she was trained by Mullins she would be the current Fav.

shes got experience at Cheltenham from coming 8th in last years Champion Bumper and won the Aintree grade 1 bumper the previous season. If you look beyond the Willie Mullins factor shes an obvious genuine challenger to win this race. It’s so obvious I’m confused as to why I’ve been ignoring her up until this week and now I think I’m going to pull the trigger whilst she’s still double figures

[Lobos]

I can understand why Gauloise is the price she is. Take Royal Kahala out of the race and your aren't left with many credible challengers ?? She should perhaps be shorter imo. For EW backers, can you see her out of the first 3 ?? No, neither can I. She must be value then.

[Madmoose]

Write Skyace off at your peril, with so many not running here or maybe not good enough the 20/1 4 places Betvictor looks good value for what she has done so far, been a dream few months for the syndicate.

Already on Gauloise & Hook Up but will add Skyace at those odds ew.

[jack1092]

I can understand why Gauloise is the price she is. Take Royal Kahala out of the race and your aren't left with many credible challengers ?? She should perhaps be shorter imo. For EW backers, can you see her out of the first 3 ?? No, neither can I. She must be value then.

Agree with the first part, this race looks incredibly weak at the moment, and bar late runners or debutants WPM doesn't actually have as many clear-cut chances.

She's the obvious one at this stage + will put her credentials on the line in the Solerina. If she wins that well, she'll be "hotpot" material. But she'd have to win it well, which on her form is unlikely. I'm on her already, but i wouldn't consider her at her price now, as i wouldn't have her favourite in the Solerina vs Royal Kahala. RK wins that + surely she'll travel, she could take both this + the Fairyhouse race in. However, there's still the chance they keep her at home to save the hassle travelling + win more money anyway.

It would be hilarious if Skyace formerly with WPM went onto win this for the Shark- ?600 f'n quid!

Just watched the race again

mighty blue has jumped very poorly and pulled like a train all the way round and still got within 2 or 3 lengths

not sure how strong that form is at all

Mighty Blue certainly caught the eye that day as she got close doing a lot wrong. She's 105 off the flat so she can clearly run fast, and if her jumping improved she'd probably make a very decent hurdling mare, so i'd say the form ain't that bad. Her 4th the time before has been franked twice with Get My Drift winning well at Leopardstown over Xmas + Sea Ducor running well handicap hurdle behind Master McShee.

[Kevloaf]

Elite form is established at the festivals when high level racing fully exposes them, not at Thurles in December. Although beating a mid 100s G3 placed flat horse isnt bad going in the context of the mares novice hurdle division, her form isnt why i fancy her.

Apparently many people dont see her quality and think shes priced purely on being trained by Mullins, but her profile alone entitles her to massive respect given the history of the race. If she wins the solerina in decent style youll be lucky to get 9/4.

Have you got a shortlist of who is likely to turn up in the Solerina?

If Gauloise was to go off with an SP at odds on, you're absolutely right regarding the 5/1 now compared to (let's say 5/2 for ease) that she may be after it...but that may well be generous.

If she wins that race, as a Willie Mullins trainer, Kenny Alexander owned unbeaten Mare, for a mares novice hurdle, having beaten what's most likely to be some serious rivals, she's going to go shorter.


The main danger so far seems to be Royal Kahala, who put away Hook Up. I think that means Gauloise probably won't go off odds on though? (If she runs, obviously)

[Energumene]

Have you got a shortlist of who is likely to turn up in the Solerina?

If Gauloise was to go off with an SP at odds on, you're absolutely right regarding the 5/1 now compared to (let's say 5/2 for ease) that she may be after it...but that may well be generous.

If she wins that race, as a Willie Mullins trainer, Kenny Alexander owned unbeaten Mare, for a mares novice hurdle, having beaten what's most likely to be some serious rivals, she's going to go shorter.


The main danger so far seems to be Royal Kahala, who put away Hook Up. I think that means Gauloise probably won't go off odds on though? (If she runs, obviously)

I dont have a shortlist, Royal Kahala is the obvious one but it wont be a 2 horse race i dont think, Queens Brook and the others from Down Royal id imagine, it will be the best mares novice run in ireland so far and very informative.

They finished in a bit of a heap at Down Royal in what was quite a strongly run race for the grade and time of year. On paper i think most would say that was stronger form than Gauloise and i wouldnt dispute it, but i didnt see real star potential in any of them. They are all pretty well exposed at this stage as nothing special, and none of their profiles look like the horses who have dominated this race. The exception to looking exposed was the other Kenneth Alexander mare Brave Way who finished 3rd giving him a line on the race albeit through 2 different yards, shes an interesting horse.

Im astounded really that people are turning their noses up at Gauloise given the other prospects in this race, and given how obviously she fits the bill, with the best trainer in the game and an owner with the keys to the top class mares factory, but i wont go on about her for the time being, ive said my piece until the Solerina.

[jack1092]

The exception to looking exposed was the other Kenneth Alexander mare Brave Way who finished 3rd giving him a line on the race albeit through 2 different yards, shes an interesting horse.

Im astounded really that people are turning their noses up at Gauloise given the other prospects in this race, and given how obviously she fits the bill, with the best trainer in the game and an owner with the keys to the top class mares factory, but i wont go on about her for the time being, ive said my piece until the Solerina.

Henry said in the Irish Field that she'd be a runner in the Solerina too.

Gauloise
Brave Way
Royal Kahala
Hook Up (?)
Skyace
Atlantic Fairy (Possibly?)
Mighty Blue (wouldnt be shocked to se JOB try it)


Off the top of my head potential runners with RK favourite in my book.

[FinalFurlong91]

Henry said in the Irish Field that she'd be a runner in the Solerina too.

Gauloise
Brave Way
Royal Kahala
Hook Up (?)
Skyace
Atlantic Fairy (Possibly?)
Mighty Blue (wouldnt be shocked to se JOB try it)


Off the top of my head potential runners with RK favourite in my book.

Be interesting to see what handicap mark mighty blue is given after her third run

[jack1092]

Be interesting to see what handicap mark mighty blue is given after her third run

Agreed, would've been nice if they could've got a mark in time for the mares handicap at the DRF but not to be. She'd need to brush up on her jumping for a race of that type anyway!