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2024 Novice Chasers

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    • Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post

      Maybe protect mark for Ultima ? Or KM?
      He was 147 when entered for the race The King Of Ryhope was in, so KM not an option

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      • Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post
        Do we have any more clues where Broadway Boy goes?

        If he goes NHC, then he’s prob best horse in race & looks one of value plays

        Market seems obsessed with finding the Willie horse & not yet seen one that looks good enough to win this
        I think there’s an argument that he could have possibly been the best horse in the race.
        I backed him ages ago for both races thinking he was improving with each run.
        I thought he would get a break and come back fresh for the festival, but they’ve kept running him, and imo ruined any chance he might have had for Cheltenham.
        To be honest, I think they have made a right pigs ear of it!

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        • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

          I think there’s an argument that he could have possibly been the best horse in the race.
          I backed him ages ago for both races thinking he was improving with each run.
          I thought he would get a break and come back fresh for the festival, but they’ve kept running him, and imo ruined any chance he might have had for Cheltenham.
          To be honest, I think they have made a right pigs ear of it!
          Have to go some to better the genius training of Mister Coffey...

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          • Willie sending his best Staying Novice Chasers to the Turners over the BANC..........how much of that is due to the Old and New courses?? New course (Turners) is the more stamina sapping course but also more of a Galloping track so probably a fairer jumping track for the Novices ?

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            • Ginnys Destiny given provisional Timeform rating of 157. Gaelic Warrior on 158.

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              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                Willie sending his best Staying Novice Chasers to the Turners over the BANC..........how much of that is due to the Old and New courses?? New course (Turners) is the more stamina sapping course but also more of a Galloping track so probably a fairer jumping track for the Novices ?
                He's only ever sent Galopin as his best staying novice to the Turners and that's because they thought he was too racy and the Turners would suit.

                These were his shortest price runners each year:

                2023: Appreciate It (running over 2m previously)
                2022: Galopin
                2021: Asterion Forlonge (running over 2 and a half but 14/1 and not fancied). Monkfish was his best horse and would have won the Turners or BANC although Envoi Allen was fav for the Turners all year and they weren't going to take each other on
                2020: Faugheen (not seen as a staying novice and they had Allaho has the best stayer)
                2019: Real Steel 13/2 - no runner in the BANC. RS had been running over 2 to 2.5 miles beforehand and not seen as a stayer otherwise they'd have gone the BANC
                2018: Invitation Only and Kemboy in the Turners, Al Boum Photo in the BANC. All decent prices. Don't think the 2 in the Turners were seen as his best staying novice?
                2017: Yorkhill won the Turners - not a staying novice

                Can't be bothered going further back as the statement of Willie sending his best staying novice to the Turners is just incorrect. He's done it once and for good reason.


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                • I remember the thought that Monkfish jumped poorly in his BANC win because the course was tight, but not sure I've heard it used since.

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                  • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post
                    I remember the thought that Monkfish jumped poorly in his BANC win because the course was tight, but not sure I've heard it used since.
                    Whose theory was that ?
                    I know the courses differ in respect of a couple of turns and the gradient's etc.
                    But there's still a good distance between all the fences, and none are on a bend.

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                    • Could it be Willie sends Gaelic to the Arkle as it's more a speed test? I seem to remember they were considering the Supreme for him last year so he's clearly not slow and this season he's showed a lot of pace in his races and blown them away from the front. He has plenty that could fill the gap in the Turners and it must be eating away at him that he has nothing to currently take on Marine Nationale with.

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                      • Corbetts Cross given entry in Scilly isles.
                        Hermes Allen entered with some others

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                        • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                          Whose theory was that ?
                          I know the courses differ in respect of a couple of turns and the gradient's etc.
                          But there's still a good distance between all the fences, and none are on a bend.
                          Willies after the race from memory

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                          • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post

                            Willies after the race from memory
                            That's as bad as the white fences then.

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                            • I thought Willie blamed the Monkfish run on the jeep following and the horse just being immature and not concentrating (looking at the sights etc)

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                              • Tony Mullins posting on twitter Fact to File should pay for next weekend

                                I can see him being the buzz horse on the preview circuits
                                Last edited by FredFlintstone; 29 January 2024, 12:17 PM.

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