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2024 Novice Chasers

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  • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

    Has Willie ever won a Handicap Chase at the Festival?

    He's beaten the 3rd horse by 9 lengths more than Marine Nationale did so perhaps MN should be held back for the Grand Annual as well. Now that would be something!!
    I have recency bias because of how he campaigned State Man and GDC after they disappointed on debut.

    Rare you get the chance to do it with a chaser as they theoretically are more exposed but with HY being a failed plot last year his hurdles mark isn't starting him off anywhere near where most top 2m hurdlers are

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    • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post

      I have recency bias because of how he campaigned State Man and GDC after they disappointed on debut.

      Rare you get the chance to do it with a chaser as they theoretically are more exposed but with HY being a failed plot last year his hurdles mark isn't starting him off anywhere near where most top 2m hurdlers are
      Is there any no. of runs criteria for Hcap chases like hurdles?
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      • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post

        I have recency bias because of how he campaigned State Man and GDC after they disappointed on debut.

        Rare you get the chance to do it with a chaser as they theoretically are more exposed but with HY being a failed plot last year his hurdles mark isn't starting him off anywhere near where most top 2m hurdlers are
        If he runs in a Handicap I'll jump the last two fences at the Fez naked with a Fat Jockey badge stapled to my head.

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        • Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post

          Is there any no. of runs criteria for Hcap chases like hurdles?
          3 to get your mark I believe.

          I mentioned the hurdle mark because they are undoubtedly considered when making a first chase mark imo regardless of whether the BHA say it's stand alone or not

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          • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post

            3 to get your mark I believe.

            I mentioned the hurdle mark because they are undoubtedly considered when making a first chase mark imo regardless of whether the BHA say it's stand alone or not
            3 chase runs? So HY needs another to get in Grand Annual?
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            • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

              If he runs in a Handicap I'll jump the last two fences at the Fez naked with a Fat Jockey badge stapled to my head.
              70k for winning the GA vs 37k for finishing 2nd to Marine

              I'm not saying it's going to happen but it's certainly an angle that I have considered and will likely cover NRNB

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              • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post

                70k for winning the GA vs 37k for finishing 2nd to Marine

                I'm not saying it's going to happen but it's certainly an angle that I have considered and will likely cover NRNB
                Interesting to see rating HY gets for yesterday

                Willie needs an Arkle horse.......Its big jump for BD as a 5-year old......not impossible & likely wins well today.For me HY is best we have seen of Willie's so far.....but lack of DRF entry a concern, so you maybe right

                I will admit to some pocket talking.....as HY seemed a value play & so he's a big one at mo for me......Marine should win, but its one horse
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                • Originally posted by That Horse View Post

                  Just find it hard to fancy an ex-triumph horse running as a 5 year old at the festival. Apple's Jade the only one I can think of that won the following year.

                  I am slightly hypocritical by the way, having backed Gala Marceau for the mare's
                  Blood Destiny being a 5 year old doesn’t really bother me, in fact I quite like a trainer like Mullins sending him chasing early, shows how much confidence he has in him.
                  Seeing how he jumped I can see why!! Real natural.
                  If he repeats that today or performs similarly than I expect him to become his main arkle horse.
                  He could go Turners of course, so nrnb for both races imo.

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                  • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                    Blood Destiny being a 5 year old doesn’t really bother me, in fact I quite like a trainer like Mullins sending him chasing early, shows how much confidence he has in him.
                    Seeing how he jumped I can see why!! Real natural.
                    If he repeats that today or performs similarly than I expect him to become his main arkle horse.
                    He could go Turners of course, so nrnb for both races imo.
                    Yeah, must be a bit of a worry for Arkle the way he's been campaigned so far this season. I've backed him for the Arkle but prefer Hunters over him on what we've seen so far.

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                    • Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post

                      Interesting to see rating HY gets for yesterday

                      Willie needs an Arkle horse.......Its big jump for BD as a 5-year old......not impossible & likely wins well today.For me HY is best we have seen of Willie's so far.....but lack of DRF entry a concern, so you maybe right

                      I will admit to some pocket talking.....as HY seemed a value play & so he's a big one at mo for me......Marine should win, but its one horse
                      Should be at least as good a mark as what Marine Nationale was given taking into account how far he beat the 3rd by yesterday. Not that interested in ratings though, more a visual man.

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                      • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                        Blood Destiny being a 5 year old doesn’t really bother me, in fact I quite like a trainer like Mullins sending him chasing early, shows how much confidence he has in him.
                        Seeing how he jumped I can see why!! Real natural.
                        If he repeats that today or performs similarly than I expect him to become his main arkle horse.
                        He could go Turners of course, so nrnb for both races imo.
                        Turners maybe more likely as this is his second go at mid-range trip....and Triumph horses tend to stay more. Can def see him as a second string to GW

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                        • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                          Blood Destiny being a 5 year old doesn’t really bother me, in fact I quite like a trainer like Mullins sending him chasing early, shows how much confidence he has in him.
                          Seeing how he jumped I can see why!! Real natural.
                          If he repeats that today or performs similarly than I expect him to become his main arkle horse.
                          He could go Turners of course, so nrnb for both races imo.
                          You will know he has no chance if David Casey is all over him in the Cheltenham Preview’s again

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                          • Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post

                            Turners maybe more likely as this is his second go at mid-range trip....and Triumph horses tend to stay more. Can def see him as a second string to GW
                            I can definitely see the logic in having a second string, if that’s what he would be, as I don’t think he can rely on GW going left handed.

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                            • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                              I can definitely see the logic in having a second string, if that’s what he would be, as I don’t think he can rely on GW going left handed.
                              Willie might have third and even fourth strings in some races
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                              • Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post

                                Willie might have third and even fourth strings in some races
                                Indeed, particularly the staying nov chases.
                                Got plenty of gooduns!!

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