2023 Stayers Hurdle

[ComplyOrDie]

No previous Cheltenham Festival Hurdles form - 6 winners

Just to go on from this, the 6 winners with no previous Cheltenham Festival hurdles form were as follows:

Bacchanal - aged 6 - Was having his first run over 3m in the race

Barracouda (first win) - aged 7 - Experience from France, had been winning and placing in graded hurdles races in France

Big Bucks (first win) - aged 6 - Experience from France, had Grade 1 & 2 winning and place hurdles form

More Of That - aged 6 - Was having his first run over 3m in the race

Thistlecrack - aged 8 - Grade 1 winning & place form as a novice hurdler over 3m (Aintree & Punchestown), but missed the festival during his novice season

Flooring Porter (first win) - aged 6 - The anomaly, really. A bang average handicapper, although plenty of experience (14 starts over hurdles prior to his win). A change in tactics brought about a serious amount of improvement.


I know there are a few bigger priced horses in the betting that have been mentioned on more than one occasion on the fourm, the likes of Langer Dan & Thedevilscoachman, so maybe some comparisons can be sought, we all like a bit of confirmation bias Appreciate not everyone will make much of it, but thought I'd delve into it anyway.

[Lobos]

Might I fits the above bill. Trainer has confirmed this is his long term target. Decent hurdles form. Beaten by three top novices last season including when favourite to turn over Constitution Hill (finished 2nd) . 2nd to TSL at Aintree and 3rd to Jonbon at Haydock. No better novice likely to be going into the race ?
40/1 with Cash Out available. Very fair EW price this far out.

[FinalFurlong91]

If you look at the horses in the betting behind Flooring Porter, I can see only 1 possibly running in it out of the next 10 or so and that's Klassical Dream!
Flooring just has to be one of, if not the best value horse currently priced up. If he were trained by Willie he'd be 2's at best.

And klassical dream didn't get up the hill last year, so flooring porter just has to be in everyone's mind even if it's just a saver

[Exar Essay]

And klassical dream didn't get up the hill last year, so flooring porter just has to be in everyone's mind even if it's just a saver

You are right in that he didn't get up the hill very well, but to my eye, it was because of a blunder at the last where he landed on all fours rather than running out of steam ... which is why I am happy to give him another go. Also happy to have FP in the book.

[OffTheBridle]

And klassical dream didn't get up the hill last year, so flooring porter just has to be in everyone's mind even if it's just a saver

On Klassical Dream, has any horse ever won the Supreme and go on to win the Stayers Hurdle?

[FinalFurlong91]

You are right in that he didn't get up the hill very well, but to my eye, it was because of a blunder at the last where he landed on all fours rather than running out of steam ... which is why I am happy to give him another go. Also happy to have FP in the book.

He looked pretty tired to me on the run in

The mistake may well have been a tired mistake

He had travelled into it on the bridle, maybe the hill just really tests him over 3 miles, he is quite a fast horse after all

He'd probably win the 2m4f grade 1 hurdle if there was one

[Stormez]

He looked pretty tired to me on the run in

The mistake may well have been a tired mistake

He had travelled into it on the bridle, maybe the hill just really tests him over 3 miles, he is quite a fast horse after all

He'd probably win the 2m4f grade 1 hurdle if there was one

He was really keen early in the Stayers too if I remember rightly? That’s what I’d put him not getting up the hill down to at the time.

[Lobos]

He looked pretty tired to me on the run in

The mistake may well have been a tired mistake

He had travelled into it on the bridle, maybe the hill just really tests him over 3 miles, he is quite a fast horse after all

He'd probably win the 2m4f grade 1 hurdle if there was one

The 2m 4f G1 Hurdle is in 2024 when they go 5 days

[archie]

Klassical Dream got up the Leopardstown hill just fine.

[FinalFurlong91]

The 2m 4f G1 Hurdle is in 2024 when they go 5 days

Il ask skybet for a price

[BigChaang]

On Klassical Dream, has any horse ever won the Supreme and go on to win the Stayers Hurdle?

Yes . go back one page - C.O.D's Stats.

[ComplyOrDie]

Yes . go back one page - C.O.D's Stats.

Not won the Supreme, but ran in the Supreme then won the Stayers.

There are possibly horses that have done the Supreme/Stayers double, but I only looked as far back as 2000.

[Lobos]

Not won the Supreme, but ran in the Supreme then won the Stayers.

There are possibly horses that have done the Supreme/Stayers double, but I only looked as far back as 2000.

In fact, the winner of the Supreme only has a good record of winning the following year in the Arkle. It's record for winning any other race is next to none.

[ComplyOrDie]

In fact, the winner of the Supreme only has a good record of winning the following year in the Arkle. It's record for winning any other race is next to none.

Vautour being an exception, I'd imagine.

[BigChaang]

Apologies , i wasn't paying full attention !.