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[Lobos]

'Robbie Dunne’s licence has been suspended for 18 months (with three months suspended) for bullying and harassing Bryony Frost between February and September 2020'

He's got off lightly . If it were you or me, we'd have been done for verbal/sexual assault and added to the sex offenders list.

[Zachx02]

Dunne handed 18 month ban

[BarrowNH01]

Thought I'd throw in a reminder, if anyone would like to add their Tote 10 to follow stables to the Fat Jockey league. The invite code 000158. No prizes, just a bit of interest to see how peoples official entries are doing.

Thanks for this mate just joined

[Redbridge]

'Robbie Dunne’s licence has been suspended for 18 months (with three months suspended) for bullying and harassing Bryony Frost between February and September 2020'

I asked myself if Dunne would dare treat say Ruby Walsh' s sister Katie in the same fashion and if the answer is NO then he a bully.
They always pick their targets carefully IMO and there is this old culture that should be stamped out.

[BarrowNH01]

He's got off lightly . If it were you or me, we'd have been done for verbal/sexual assault and added to the sex offenders list.

Completely agree, he's a very lucky man she didn't go to the police.

[Redbridge]

He's got off lightly . If it were you or me, we'd have been done for verbal/sexual assault and added to the sex offenders list.

This is to appease the weighing room who are bound to get shirty because they have stood and allowed this and will not accept that change is needed.

[robith]

People think it'll make this a better place to live in but it'll do the opposite. I fear for my children and grandchildren going forward. It's going to be very tough unless this nonsense stops

Imagine a world where you can't scream at someone and threaten to maim them. Shudder, doesn't bear thinking about

[robith]

I'll leave it now cos it's a racing forum and I'm on a hiding to nothing here historically, just find it weird that everyone decided to bring up their issues with so called PC culture in the wake of this case, left a rum taste.

Personally I would applaud Bryony for standing up to this behaviour and hope for it helping to maybe even make racing more competitive when jockeys don't fear being pinned up against the wall if they make a move against an "established" presence

[Irish Rugby]

The right decision, you would think. The biggest surprise to me has been the lack of support from Bryony Frost from her fellow jockeys. All us punters who are not part of racing's inner sanctum of jockeys, trainers, owners, journalists etc, have just been introduced to a woman jockey who has had an exceptional career in a very short period of time, and has achieved much success on big TV racing days, thus highlighting her profile considerably. She is also articulate and her enthusiasm post race is bread from heaven to TV producers. Ryan Moore, she ain't. Very rarely we get that infectious enthusiasm immediately post race when she gets a microphone poked at her. I suspect it must be jealously.

There has been some comment over where she positions her horse during the race. Not sure if that's a regular issue and has prompted much of the muted support from her in the weighing room. I sense that it has been. If it has been, most are not talking.

[Rooster Booster]

I deliberately added the comment 'not related to the Dunne/Frost case' at the end of my post.
None of us were present when these incidents took place, the court has heard all the evidence and found him guilty of four charges and as a great believer in the great British justice system I'm happy to accept Dunne has done wrong and Bryony was justified in bringing the case.

But that's not linked to my general comment about political correctness.

I'm sure I'm not alone but having played various team sport for the majority of my life the best times ever were celebrating a win in the bar/pub and ripping the piss out of each other, or as it became known more recently, banter.
It's what we Brits do better than anything else and it's been/being cancelled.
Piss taking was always based on a number of personal traits, could be hair, nose, ears, teeth, beards, height, weight, feet, hands, wife/girlfriend, job, house, car, could be a million things, you name it team mates would dig someone out and take the piss out of them for it, and then they'd get it back, it was funny and helped create unity, no-one ever took it personally, no-one ever got upset, it was fun, I'm of the belief that the modern world says everyone should be sensitive to personal comments, object and take formal action, it's not a world I'm overly keen on but that a personal political view and perhaps has no place on a racing forum, even general chat.
So I'll shut up...

How do you REALLY know if anyone got upset. There is always enormous pressure not to show that you are upset which just leads people to hide their true feelings. The only person that truly knows if they are upset or not is the person themselves and sensitive people are likely to be world class at hiding their sensitivity for fear of further ridicule.Sensitivity is not a choice and it’s not a character defect either and it’s not something to put on a scale with a line drawn where left of that line is an acceptable level and right of that line is unacceptable. People are what they are and all levels should be embraced and understood and respected imo.

[Istabraq]

How do you REALLY know if anyone got upset.

Because no-one ever screamed back, threatened anyone, threw a punch of any of the standard responses you'd expect when you've hit a nerve.
Clearly a contentious issue and one that's likely to incite strong opinions and views, so probably best to move on and back to racing...

[robith]

Off for tapas tonight, gonna have a vermouth and tell a guy (who I got very invested in Western Ryder back in the day) all about American Mike

[Rooster Booster]

Because no-one ever screamed back, threatened anyone, threw a punch of any of the standard responses you'd expect when you've hit a nerve.
Clearly a contentious issue and one that's likely to incite strong opinions and views, so probably best to move on and back to racing...

Yep I think that’s probably a very good idea

[Kevloaf]

Off for tapas tonight, gonna have a vermouth and tell a guy (who I got very invested in Western Ryder back in the day) all about American Mike

That'll be a harder sell won't it?

Unless price doesn't matter

[Quevega]

Imagine a world where you can't scream at someone and threaten to maim them. Shudder, doesn't bear thinking about

This reminds me of something that really got my goat and is related to what people have been discussing but relevant to both sides of the argument.

I was listening to Talksport and they were discussing the incident between Zlatan & Nedum Onouha, when they met in the MLS.

Simon Jordan (normally good value) was commenting.

Zlatan had basically been taunting Nedum all though the game that he was going to "do him" and break his leg and end his career and so on.
Zlatan went to apologise after the game and Nedum refused.

The Talksport guys basically said Nedum was in the wrong and should have accepted his apology, and comments like "it's a mans game" were mentioned.

I disagreed.

The main reason being, had he called him the N word, they would have been apoplectic and falling over themselves to condemn Zlatan.

Which ?, is worse ?