Triumph Hurdle 2021

[Redbridge]

"Hugely exciting juvenile hurdler French Aseel has been bought by Al Boum Photo's owner, Joe Donnelly, and is set to join Willie Mullins, Racing TV can reveal.

The French import, who had won once on the Flat, produced an extraordinary performance on his Irish and hurdling debut for trainer Ellmarie Holden at Christmas, scoring by 22 lengths under Denis O'Regan against 17 rivals at Leopardstown in a maiden hurdle.

There was considerable speculation after the gambled-on 7-2 favourite's success that he might be sold, and Donnelly has swooped for the general 8-1 second-favourite for the JCB Triumph Hurdle.



Mullins told Racing TV: "He's joining us. He is a very promising looking horse.

"He was a professional racehorse on Flat. You'd be delighted with the way he jumped at Leopardstown. He was a lovely purchase be Ellmarie."

[Craigy14]

I’m hoping this news doesn’t scupper seeing Bring On The Night running for WPM

One I was hoping to see with an entry in Jan sometime before the DRF

[JackieMoon33]

I’m hoping this news doesn’t scupper seeing Bring On The Night running for WPM

One I was hoping to see with an entry in Jan sometime before the DRF

I mentioned it before but I think he’ll either be kept back for next season or they’ll aim high and if he fails, still keep him back for next season. Donnelly has Heross Du Seuil too so he’s got two darts already for the Triumph.

[Geegees]

Already getting cut across the board following the announcement.

assume a lot of people are seeing this as a big positive and jumping on before another run

[Chris]

I know French Aseel was very impressive at leopardstown but what did he beat, the third horse's form is very questionable and the time for the race was 5 sec. slower than normal. I'm not saying he can't win but the price is ridiculous and I still think Gordon has the edge in this race.

[Kevloaf]

I know French Aseel was very impressive at leopardstown but what did he beat, the third horse's form is very questionable and the time for the race was 5 sec. slower than normal. I'm not saying he can't win but the price is ridiculous and I still think Gordon has the edge in this race.

Maybe nothing, but 22 lengths is just an absolute rout. The second was a very well backed D K Weld gamble.... so depends how you want to read it?

It's not form to take literally perhaps, but it showed he's easily a class above..... Gordon's horses could have beaten them easily too....

5 seconds slower than 'normal' - what do you you mean by that? On the day relative to other races or literally against the same race each year - if it's the latter that couldn't be less important as a guide.


I don't think anyone could disagree Gordon has the edge in the race though, and especially on here, as we all know he's been cut because he's changed owner/trainer won't be seen as a valid reason for a cut... so I doubt you'll get anyone disagreeing mate


If you had one free tenner bet on the race, where would you put it?

[Outlaw]

I see far too many quoting time related points with no substance, for a start as i keep saying the Rp time are not accurate and there standards are often very hard to achieve on anything slower than good ground, secondly if you take the race from the last hurdle which was over 2.5f to the line his time is near identical to Appreciates(much slower up until that point thou). He clearly has pace and ability his question mark will be stamina nto in a true run race and having run over shortish trips on the flat for me.

[Kevloaf]

I know French Aseel was very impressive at leopardstown but what did he beat, the third horse's form is very questionable and the time for the race was 5 sec. slower than normal. I'm not saying he can't win but the price is ridiculous and I still think Gordon has the edge in this race.

Chris
You need a face.....

[Outlaw]

I'm happy to be corrected on this but has any ex winner of the race who has run on the flat done so having never gone further than 1m in that sphere? Even if that turns out to be true it wouldn't mean he couldn't but just got me thinking and i've only looked at the last 10 and cba to go further tonight.

[Quevega]

I'm happy to be corrected on this but has any ex winner of the race who has run on the flat done so having never gone further than 1m in that sphere? Even if that turns out to be true it wouldn't mean he couldn't but just got me thinking and i've only looked at the last 10 and cba to go further tonight.

I think it was common, back before the Fred Winter.
Not sure why, probably to do with the increase of French purchases, over ex British flat horses.

[Outlaw]

I think it was common, back before the Fred Winter.
Not sure why, probably to do with the increase of French purchases, over ex British flat horses.

What was common? I've looked back to 88 and don't think any ex flat horse has that I can see.

[Quevega]

What was common? I've looked back to 88 and don't think any ex flat horse has that I can see.

Ex British and Irish flat horses won it often in the early 2000's and prior to this, although your point of milers might be right.
Most probably ran over a bit further at some stage.
It was definitely a thing around that time to look for milers (10f horses) off the flat.
It's become a lot more NH Frenchy these days.

[Craigy14]

I mentioned it before but I think he’ll either be kept back for next season or they’ll aim high and if he fails, still keep him back for next season. Donnelly has Heross Du Seuil too so he’s got two darts already for the Triumph.

Would look more possible now that he’s held back with the owner having 2 darts for the race potentially who have had runs and won.

I’ll keep it for now but no entry by early Feb I’ll cash as it’s 100% cashout with 365.

[Outlaw]

Ex British and Irish flat horses won it often in the early 2000's and prior to this, although your point of milers might be right.
Most probably ran over a bit further at some stage.
It was definitely a thing around that time to look for milers (10f horses) off the flat.
It's become a lot more NH Frenchy these days.

Yeah wasn't knocking the ex flat types plenty have come via the flat, was just highlighting a possible coincidence. If I was a race analyst/on a panel to support saying he's short that's the only angle I could come up with and that stamina is the only thing he'd have to prove as he has the turn of foot.

Saying all that just stick Bryony on him and all jockes will be busy looking at her arse and happily sit behind letting her dictate

[Rooster Booster]

I'm happy to be corrected on this but has any ex winner of the race who has run on the flat done so having never gone further than 1m in that sphere? Even if that turns out to be true it wouldn't mean he couldn't but just got me thinking and i've only looked at the last 10 and cba to go further tonight.

Perhaps the fact he was stepped up to a mile on only his second start as a 2yo as early as July is an indication of where they saw him long term and would be a significant data point if I was feeling anxious on the stamina front. There could be a multiple of reasons why they didn’t step him up again. Perhaps they just wanted him to grow into his frame a little.