Cheltenham 2021 - Ante Post Bets

[ryanh97]

My guess would be an SP double on the 2 winners. I believe Sky used to do it as an 'enhanced' bet on the remaining selections

[jono]

So this year we have a rare scenerio where the Supreme, Ballymore and Albert Bartlett winners are now short priced favourites for the Arkle, Marsh and RSA.
IF Shishkin, Envoi Allen and Monkfish do the business then it'll be the first time in the Festival this has happened. Which I thought was pretty mad.So just had a quick look through to see how far off it had been in previous years. I assumed injuries would be the major factor in why it wouldn't have materialised, though only 4 winners (from 27) actually missed the following year through injury

Pre 2011 there was no JLT/Marsh so it's actually only really been applicable in the last 10 years.

Taking a look through 2011 - 2019 there's actually only been one year where all 3 winners have gone onto run over fences at the next festival.
The norm is for at least one of the 3 to stay over hurdles:

3 Supreme winners
3 Neptune winners
5 Albert Bartlett winners

Have stayed over hurdles.
The only year where all 3 went chasing and lined up over fences the next season was 2011

Al Ferof (won the 2011 Supreme, unplaced in the 2012 Arkle)
First Lieutenant (won the 2011 Neptune, 2nd in the 2012 RSA)
Bobs Worth (won the 2011 AB, won the 2012 RSA)

With FL and BW taking eachother on in the RSA.

There's of course a whole host of factors that need to fall into place for horses to get to the next festival fit and well, in form etc.
But i'd say this 'stat' is a little misleading as there's actually been no other season where the 3 winners have / have had the chance to 'do it'

This means absolutely nothing of course to the chances of Shishkin, Envoi and Monkfish....
But I thought ever so slightly interesting.

[Hurdles or chasing]

My guess would be an SP double on the 2 winners. I believe Sky used to do it as an 'enhanced' bet on the remaining selections

Yes im always wary of these for that reason

[Quevega]

So this year we have a rare scenerio where the Supreme, Ballymore and Albert Bartlett winners are now short priced favourites for the Arkle, Marsh and RSA.
IF Shishkin, Envoi Allen and Monkfish do the business then it'll be the first time in the Festival this has happened. Which I thought was pretty mad.So just had a quick look through to see how far off it had been in previous years. I assumed injuries would be the major factor in why it wouldn't have materialised, though only 4 winners (from 27) actually missed the following year through injury

Pre 2011 there was no JLT/Marsh so it's actually only really been applicable in the last 10 years.

Taking a look through 2011 - 2019 there's actually only been one year where all 3 winners have gone onto run over fences at the next festival.
The norm is for at least one of the 3 to stay over hurdles:

3 Supreme winners
3 Neptune winners
5 Albert Bartlett winners

Have stayed over hurdles.
The only year where all 3 went chasing and lined up over fences the next season was 2011

Al Ferof (won the 2011 Supreme, unplaced in the 2012 Arkle)
First Lieutenant (won the 2011 Neptune, 2nd in the 2012 RSA)
Bobs Worth (won the 2011 AB, won the 2012 RSA)

With FL and BW taking eachother on in the RSA.

There's of course a whole host of factors that need to fall into place for horses to get to the next festival fit and well, in form etc.
But i'd say this 'stat' is a little misleading as there's actually been no other season where the 3 winners have / have had the chance to 'do it'

This means absolutely nothing of course to the chances of Shishkin, Envoi and Monkfish....
But I thought ever so slightly interesting.

I doubt if all three novice hurdle champions have ever returned to all win 'any race' the following year.
Have they ?

[Istabraq]

I doubt if all three novice hurdle champions have ever returned to all win 'any race' the following year.
Have they ?

Can't have.
The potato race has only been going 15 years and has thrown up some poor winners, or horses who haven't gone on in their career I should say...

[Run4Home]

Out of curiosity, if Shishkin and PP win and Honeysuckle was a NR, does this result in stake refunded and not paid out as 2 winners and a void bet?

I think....

Its an SP double on the remaining selections.

[Istabraq]

I think....

Its an SP double on the remaining selections.

That's how Sky settled their RAB specials when they went NRNB last year...

[jono]

I doubt if all three novice hurdle champions have ever returned to all win 'any race' the following year.
Have they ?

2017 was close...

Altior won the 2016 Supreme, won the 2017 Arkle
Yorkhill won the 2016 Neptune, won the 2017 JLT
UNWIMH won the 2016 Albert Bartlett, 3rd in the 2017 Stayers going off 5/6Fav

[Quevega]

2017 was close...

Altior won the 2016 Supreme, won the 2017 Arkle
Yorkhill won the 2016 Neptune, won the 2017 JLT
UNWIMH won the 2016 Albert Bartlett, 3rd in the 2017 Stayers going off 5/6Fav

He should have gone chasing then.
Any average horse could have beaten the lunatic that won that by the skin of his teeth.

[Geegees]

PP - Day 1 boost - AI/ Shishkin/ Epatante- boosted to 18/1 which isn’t far off skybet who aren’t NRNB.

You would think all 3 won’t win especially being on the same day but I guess there has been some Super Tuesdays before.

Probably won’t take it

[Ballyfitz]

Looks like PP have now introduced without Shishkin / Envoi markets for the Arkle and Marsh (NRNB)

[Liverpoolchamp]

Anyone else gone all in on Shiskin to get them off to a start on the first day? I’ve got him in all sorts of doubles/trebles aswell!

[FinalFurlong91]

Looks like PP have now introduced without Shishkin / Envoi markets for the Arkle and Marsh (NRNB)

Sky pirate 10/1 e/w could be interesting if allmankind, unexcepted, Felix desjy and energumene all line up

Cant see anything in the marsh, really doesn't look like much of a race other than Envoi

[Kevloaf]

Anyone else gone all in on Shiskin to get them off to a start on the first day? I’ve got him in all sorts of doubles/trebles aswell!

Race before that with a strong fav


Reminds me of Douvan/Un De Sceaux

[Quevega]

Race before that with a strong fav


Reminds me of Douvan/Un De Sceaux

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