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2022 Mares Chase

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  • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

    Concernista ?
    Mares hurdle all day long.
    Big time
    Willie has Burning Victory, EIR and Stormy Ireland for that.

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    • Originally posted by charlie View Post

      Big time
      Willie has Burning Victory, EIR and Stormy Ireland for that.
      Echoes - Is an after thought and Willie doesn't believe she'll stay
      Stormy - had her chances and doesn't believe she's good enough
      BV - He thinks she needs three miles and her jumping would be likely exposed in the mares hurdle.

      Concertista - He thinks is good enough and deserves another crack.
      And she'd be joint favourite if they said they were going here.

      It will happen - Or they'll go to Limerick instead

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      • What would Paul ride in the mares chase if concertista didn’t run? Blank race?

        think willies colreevy comment is a serious underestimation of mount Ida

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        • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

          Echoes - Is an after thought and Willie doesn't believe she'll stay
          Stormy - had her chances and doesn't believe she's good enough
          BV - He thinks she needs three miles and her jumping would be likely exposed in the mares hurdle.

          Concertista - He thinks is good enough and deserves another crack.
          And she'd be joint favourite if they said they were going here.

          It will happen - Or they'll go to Limerick instead
          Sounds like you’ve had a sit down with Willie

          Concertisa is favourite for this. I think she’ll go and I think she’ll win. Today proved Elimay still has 4 legs and can jump.

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          • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

            It will happen - Or they'll go to Limerick instead
            Don’t! I cashed out cos of those comments

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            • Bullshit to say he doesn't think Echoes will stay. He wouldn't have taken her out of the Champion Hurdle otherwise. Every chance of placing there to be honest. Half a length behind Zanahiye LTO, who everyone seems to love in the W/O Honeysuckle market.

              Willie definitely fancies EIR chances of staying

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              • Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post
                Bullshit to say he doesn't think Echoes will stay. He wouldn't have taken her out of the Champion Hurdle otherwise. Every chance of placing there to be honest. Half a length behind Zanahiye LTO, who everyone seems to love in the W/O Honeysuckle market.

                Willie definitely fancies EIR chances of staying
                Think it’s more that he knows she has no chance in the champion.
                it’s different standards of opposition so she has a chance. But with regards zanayhir- if she had stamina at the end of races where she still looks keen. She ought to have beaten him. Everything was in her favour for that but she still failed to last

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                • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                  Think it’s more that he knows she has no chance in the champion.
                  it’s different standards of opposition so she has a chance. But with regards zanayhir- if she had stamina at the end of races where she still looks keen. She ought to have beaten him. Everything was in her favour for that but she still failed to last
                  Did she fail to last? Or did she keep on well alongside (or within half a length) of a 159 rated opponent who is fourth in the market for the Champion Hurdle? There's nothing of that standard she'll face in the Mares Hurdle imo. So I'd be happy for her to be 'failing to last' equally as well over the 4f further, and still have her winning the Mares.

                  As I said when I put her up a couple of weeks ago, she's a far from certain stayer. Willie taking her out of the Champion and aiming her at the Mares after last weekend though means he obviously thinks she's got a good chance of staying. That decision has given me more confidence she'll stay.

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                  • Yeah - she failed to last.

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                    • Its a guess whether she will stay or not.

                      It's Plan B, as Plan A came up a little short.

                      ​​​​​​​It's worth a go, but by no means certain she can reproduce the same level of form over 4F further.

                      ​​​​​​​She is an interesting recruit to the Mares Hurdle.

                      ​​​​​​​Doesn't tempt me a.t.m.

                      ​​​​​​​The Grade 3 Quevega Hurdle over 2M4F on 23rd February is where some of the main candidates usually sort themselves out a bit.

                      Looking forward to seeing the entries for that, particularly Willie Mullins entries.



                      "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                      • Originally posted by Quevega View Post
                        Yeah - she failed to last.
                        If you say so. May be worth watching again but I know you won't bother so we can all move on. As you were.

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                        • Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post
                          Its a guess whether she will stay or not.

                          It's Plan B, as Plan A came up a little short.

                          ​​​​​​​It's worth a go, but by no means certain she can reproduce the same level of form over 4F further.

                          ​​​​​​​She is an interesting recruit to the Mares Hurdle.

                          ​​​​​​​Doesn't tempt me a.t.m.

                          ​​​​​​​The Grade 3 Quevega Hurdle over 2M4F on 23rd February is where some of the main candidates usually sort themselves out a bit.

                          Looking forward to seeing the entries for that, particularly Willie Mullins entries.


                          Agreed, they clearly had hopes of her being genuine Champion Hurdle class. Which was bold!

                          Also agree she's not certain to produce the same form over either. All I'm disagreeing with is a stupid claim that Mullins doesn't think she'll stay the trip he's running over to be honest.

                          Not sure what he can have for the Quevega Hurdle? Nothing immediately obvious to me. Be interesting to see entries though.

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                          • Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post

                            Agreed, they clearly had hopes of her being genuine Champion Hurdle class. Which was bold!

                            Also agree she's not certain to produce the same form over either. All I'm disagreeing with is a stupid claim that Mullins doesn't think she'll stay the trip he's running over to be honest.

                            Not sure what he can have for the Quevega Hurdle? Nothing immediately obvious to me. Be interesting to see entries though.

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                            Probably two or three from

                            ​​​​​​​Stormy Ireland
                            ​​​​​​​Finest Evermore​​​​​​​
                            Gauloise
                            ​​​​​​​Dysart Diamond
                            ​​​​​​​Burning Victory


                            I agree, if he's willing to try Echoes at 2M4F, then he must think she has some chance of staying.



                            "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                            • Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

                              Probably two or three from

                              ​​​​​​​Stormy Ireland
                              ​​​​​​​Finest Evermore​​​​​​​
                              Gauloise
                              ​​​​​​​Dysart Diamond
                              ​​​​​​​Burning Victory


                              I agree, if he's willing to try Echoes at 2M4F, then he must think she has some chance of staying.


                              Hoping Gauloise can step up from last time and throw her hat into the ring.

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                              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                                Hoping Gauloise can step up from last time and throw her hat into the ring.
                                Anything is possible in this years Mares Hurdle.
                                ​​​​​​​
                                No 'super-mare' about, with a string of 1111's beating all their market rivals.

                                ​​​​​​​There's probably around 10 with a legitimate chance if things went their way.

                                Gauloise or Finest Evermore could get the Quevega Hurdle call for their second runs of the season.

                                ​​​​​​​Its easy enough to see one of them outperforming their previous best, and rising up the pecking order.

                                By no means certain, but a possibility

                                ​​​​​​​Need to remain flexible in this market, whilst personally hoping TMSG has sufficient improvement to double up at the Festival.



                                "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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