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2022 Mares Chase

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  • Originally posted by Altior View Post
    Still don't think she lines up here fwiw.


    Where she goin'?

    ....and much more importantly...... why?

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    • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post



      Where she goin'?

      ....and much more importantly...... why?
      The big one. Owners already have a festival win with her and seem pretty keen on having the craic and going for it. I think it's a shame she's not running at Dublin as I think it would really cement her as Gordon's number 2 behind Galvin.

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      • Originally posted by Altior View Post

        The big one. Owners already have a festival win with her and seem pretty keen on having the craic and going for it. I think it's a shame she's not running at Dublin as I think it would really cement her as Gordon's number 2 behind Galvin.
        If the owners are that keen it is very surprising news that they won't let her take her chance at the weekend.
        If I owned her I'd insist she ran Saturday.
        Then go for the mares if not good enough.
        Can only assume Gordon has persuaded them somehow.

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        • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

          If the owners are that keen it is very surprising news that they won't let her take her chance at the weekend.
          If I owned her I'd insist she ran Saturday.
          Then go for the mares if not good enough.
          Can only assume Gordon has persuaded them somehow.
          Yeah if there was a difference in opinion it’s not hard to see how that conversation would play out… run her in the Irish GC and see if she’d be in with a shot

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          • Are their any quotes from the owners anywhere about them wanting to go for the Gold Cup?
            I haven't looked

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            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
              Are their any quotes from the owners anywhere about them wanting to go for the Gold Cup?
              I haven't looked
              They were tweeting when she got entered.

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              • Like you or I would have.
                Only for Gordon to scare us off, after wasting an entry fee (using our money)

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                • Is it just too simple to say Concertista is almost definitely going to be the class horse in the race here and GST - Get Stuck In? PTKO looks gone at the game to me and if HDB felt he had her back nearer the time, she’d be going to the CC anyway. For me, it’s a very poor race and even though Concertista was never of the class of a Benie or a Vroum Vroum Mag switching between codes, shes still a pretty good yardstick and is classy. Add to that that she’s shown she jumps well enough over a fence and so many others in the market have questions to answer and I can’t help but think 11/4 NRNB is pretty fair. I could easily see her going off 6/4 on the day in a small field.

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                  • Not for me

                    Form of both her chase runs is windy at best

                    Shes beat a 135 horse half a length

                    Then given 5lbs and 4 lengths to a 130 horse

                    So likely run to about 140ish in her two chase starts

                    Which is some way off whatll be needed to beat mount ida, silver forever, elimay or a resurgent PTKO

                    Id fancy her chances more in the mares hurdle
                    Last edited by FinalFurlong91; 2 February 2022, 11:33 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
                      Not for me

                      Form of both her chase runs is windy at best

                      Shes beat a 135 horse half a length

                      Then given 5lbs and 4 lengths to a 130 horse

                      So likely run to about 140ish in her two chase starts

                      Which is some way off whatll be needed to beat mount ida, silver forever, elimay or a resurgent PTKO

                      Id fancy her chances more in the mares hurdle
                      She has to run up to her Hurdles mark, over fences, to win this.

                      Shes been 2nd, 1st, 2nd at Cheltenhams last three Festival, beaten an nostril twice.

                      Shes short priced on her Chase form to date, but it’s not out of the question she could be equally as good over fences, and she does put in a shift each time she comes to Prestbury Park.
                      "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                      • Looking at the penalties last year, as things stand Concertista would carry 3lb more than the rest. Except Riviere who would also have the 3lb penalty and PTKO who would carry a further 2lb more if they were to run, which seems unlikely.

                        So every chance she's giving weight away to the rest of the field. Didn't stop Colreevy or Elimay being one / two last year but worth a bit of thought still.

                        Still think Elimay is the one to beat. No Colreevy and with no 3lb penalty this year. Hopefully get a prep into her at Naas again.

                        Mount Ida I'll wait and see where she ends up but an obvious danger.

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                        • Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

                          She has to run up to her Hurdles mark, over fences, to win this.

                          Shes been 2nd, 1st, 2nd at Cheltenhams last three Festival, beaten an nostril twice.

                          Shes short priced on her Chase form to date, but it’s not out of the question she could be equally as good over fences, and she does put in a shift each time she comes to Prestbury Park.
                          Thats the problem

                          Shes priced up like she's proven she's as good over fences, which she hasn't

                          She may well do that at the festival but I personally don't want to take the relatively short price to find out

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                          • Concertista looks like the worst of the favourites. Not happy with her jumping fences. I'm struggling to have much confidence she'd even get around Cheltenham.

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                            • I'm not with Concertista either and won't be touching her. For me she hasn't looked impressive in beating poor horses this season and her jumping is average.
                              Mullins will get Elimay cherry ripe for this and if she is close to last season's form then that'll be good enough. Mount Ida looks an improved Mare and is the danger now that they've said she's likely to run here.

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                              • Agree with all that and also have Gin on Lime in the mix. Hoping the mid season break has worked for her.
                                Last edited by Irish Rugby; 3 February 2022, 08:34 AM.

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