Upping the ANTE vs Kevloaf 2021

[thorne365]

Well in that case I'd prefer it wasn't produced.

What if they decide to make the show daily, do 3 horses a day start getting cut?


The 'tips' put up, have a lot of the time been ante post favourites at single figure prices.... hardly worthy of cuts in the first place.


If you're having to worry about a horse getting cut because of it appearing on this tipping show, then it's not a good thing.

Also, considering its only 365, I expect them to at least stand the bets for a few hours even if it's for PR. 5 minutes is a joke.

It's not a new thing either though - I worked in a bookies 7ish years ago and created a tool that monitored this sort of stuff - just that it's affecting your fine work now instead of overnight markets

[thorne365]

Yeh this is really poor from B365. When you consider how much they make across all their international sports markets and the number of people that watch UTA, its shocking they don't hold prices for 24 hours +. Even if they held prices and restricted stakes.

What frustrates me is there is very little liquidity in the market at this time of year so support for one doesn't tend to push out another, which basically means they cater for and benefit just the casual punter

Why would any business focus on anything else? It's your job as a non casual punter to adjust

[charlie]

Why would any business focus on anything else? It's your job as a non casual punter to adjust

It's not the businesses fault there isn't any liquidity in the market now, nor is it mine. Other than simply backing what they back before they tip it there is nothing to adjust to, so your point seems pointless. As stated, if the shortening of one meant the lengthening of another and there was value in the new price then sure, adjust and take new positions (assuming I didn't already have better positions that them in the first place, which I do) - but they don't. Fortunately they will nearer the time.

It was just a small criticism, not a big deal. If GL & DJ ever move markets to the point where they piss me off (hence why I said frustrates), or I feel like I'm way behind them two, then I know I'm not doing my job properly on trying to find winners months before they even start!

[ComplyOrDie]

Yeh this is really poor from B365. When you consider how much they make across all their international sports markets and the number of people that watch UTA, its shocking they don't hold prices for 24 hours +. Even if they held prices and restricted stakes.

What frustrates me is there is very little liquidity in the market at this time of year so support for one doesn't tend to push out another, which basically means they cater for and benefit just the casual punter

We're saying it's poor from Bet365, but then you have bookmakers that are constantly doing it that are linked to yards, like Unibet/Henderson, PP/Betfair/Elliott, PP/Walsh, and these happen a lot more regularly than one show a week.

There are also some Twitter 'tipsters' that seem to affect the markets across the board too.

[charlie]

We're saying it's poor from Bet365, but then you have bookmakers that are constantly doing it that are linked to yards, like Unibet/Henderson, PP/Betfair/Elliott, PP/Walsh, and these happen a lot more regularly than one show a week.

There are also some Twitter 'tipsters' that seem to affect the markets across the board too.

I've said that from day 1. Not holding prices on something running in the foxhunters 3 months later for an organisation their size is pathetic

[ComplyOrDie]

I've said that from day 1. Not holding prices on something running in the foxhunters 3 months later for an organisation their size is pathetic

Yeah I know, but it's one and on rare occasions two horse, not a bundle throughout the year like some of the other bookmakers cut that have ties to yards etc... (even though we on here use these to our advantage at times). Invariably there will always be another bookmaker with the same sort of odds as Bet365, though on occasions they are stand out, so you could always back the horse elsewhere. Admittedly without cash out, but cash out is a privilege not a given right.

[Outlaw]

We're saying it's poor from Bet365, but then you have bookmakers that are constantly doing it that are linked to yards, like Unibet/Henderson, PP/Betfair/Elliott, PP/Walsh, and these happen a lot more regularly than one show a week.

There are also some Twitter 'tipsters' that seem to affect the markets across the board too.

I’m not saying it’s right or defending them but the target audience of Twitter tipsters is often the very casual punter. If a bookie cuts the price folk will still take it so from a business point of view you can see why they would.

[ComplyOrDie]

I’m not saying it’s right or defending them but the target audience of Twitter tipsters is often the very casual punter. If a bookie cuts the price folk will still take it so from a business point of view you can see why they would.

Bookmakers will cut every horse that is mentioned by anyone half decent or better, at the end of the day it is their prerogative to do so. I have no qualms with this. I think it even happens from members on here. I've lost count the amount of times I've missed out on a price on a horse I had been waiting on, because it has been mentioned on here which seems to have got the ball rolling.

You have to be quick in this game, unfortunately.

[robith]

What's doubly annoying is the bookies then use the price contraction as marketing content to drive a sense of FOMO to increase wagering

[EnvoyAllen]

Bookmakers will cut every horse that is mentioned by anyone half decent or better, at the end of the day it is their prerogative to do so. I have no qualms with this. I think it even happens from members on here. I've lost count the amount of times I've missed out on a price on a horse I had been waiting on, because it has been mentioned on here which seems to have got the ball rolling.

You have to be quick in this game, unfortunately.

Good post this Sir. I think about a week ago I bit the bullet against decided to write down and share my own ‘2022 Diary’ so far. A few people quibbled prices/legitimacy of doubles I’d written down, and that’s fair enough. I only managed to procure every single one of the prices (some more than 15 months in advance) because I do my homework, and as you mention ‘you have to be quick in this game’. If I don’t take a good price, somebody else absolutely will. Betting is not a game for children. And it’s also, for those who want to have the best chance of trying to make money out of it, not for unintelligent people. You have to get in, and get out.
I have some incredible doubles lined up for next year. But the problem I have is, they’re only potentially good ones. Ultimately, as their odds suggest, they are all likely to be losing bets. But I’ve taken a chance, and that’s all I can do.

[Run4Home]

Bookmakers will cut every horse that is mentioned by anyone half decent or better, at the end of the day it is their prerogative to do so. I have no qualms with this. I think it even happens from members on here. I've lost count the amount of times I've missed out on a price on a horse I had been waiting on, because it has been mentioned on here which seems to have got the ball rolling.

You have to be quick in this game, unfortunately.

Spot on - literally any mention of a horse anywhere moves markets these days. (This forum, TV shows, YouTube, 'Tipsters')

Its the game and has been for a long while with antepost no point moaning about it.

[Kevloaf]

After the fun and games today

I'll put up

Run Wild Fred 12/1 (Kim Muir)
Wide Receiver 8/1 (Martin Pipe)
Escaria Ten 12/1 (Kim Muir)

[HoldenTheReins]

DJ

Stakers Wallace - Hunters Chase 11/1

GL

Royal Kahala - Mares Novices Hurdle 9/1

[Quevega]

After the fun and games today

I'll put up

Run Wild Fred 12/1 (Kim Muir)
Wide Receiver 8/1 (Martin Pipe)
Escaria Ten 12/1 (Kim Muir)

Need to narrow down to 2 Kev ?
I'll allow the 12-1 on the Kim Muir ones.

Think one of them has already put wide receiver up so locking in a loss really. Or reducing a negative outcome ?

[Kevloaf]

Need to narrow down to 2 Kev ?
I'll allow the 12-1 on the Kim Muir ones.

Think one of them has already put wide receiver up so locking in a loss really. Or reducing a negative outcome ?

Oh ye so they have, that makes it easier...remove that one. Good bet DJ