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  • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post
    To be fair, from level stakes, The Jumps Show has returned a 103% ROI. Which is pretty good.
    How do you come to 103% ROI ?

    I agree you end up in front and that’s the point you are making, but would like to understand the calc?

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    • To be fair, looking back at Kev's 'One Race, One Horse' thread we all struggled like hell to pick any winners from one early selection. I'll take it all back. I managed just 2 winners.....

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      • Originally posted by Wayward Lad View Post

        How do you come to 103% ROI ?

        I agree you end up in front and that’s the point you are making, but would like to understand the calc?
        30pts placed.

        Chianti Classico (Jake) - 21pts returned
        Chianti Classico (Dan) - 21pts returned
        Absurde - 17pts returned
        Staffordshire Knot (Ballymore - NR) - 1pt returned
        Giovinco (Ultima - NR) - 1pt returned
        All others - Losers

        61pts returned and 31pts profit.

        31/30 = 103%

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        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
          To be fair, looking back at Kev's 'One Race, One Horse' thread we all struggled like hell to pick any winners from one early selection. I'll take it all back. I managed just 2 winners.....
          Awesome
          Wondered when it’d click

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          • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post

            30pts placed.

            Chianti Classico (Jake) - 21pts returned
            Chianti Classico (Dan) - 21pts returned
            Absurde - 17pts returned
            Staffordshire Knot (Ballymore - NR) - 1pt returned
            Giovinco (Ultima - NR) - 1pt returned
            All others - Losers

            61pts returned and 31pts profit.

            31/30 = 103%
            Thanks Exar


            I would look at it another way such as;

            Really only 29 selections as Chianti picked twice and therefore also really only 2 winners and 2 non runners, unless Chianti backed twice.

            Therefore 29 points staked and 40 points returned = 11 points profit = 37.9% ROI

            Even looking at it this way it’s a great return and makes your point that being successful picking such large priced winners does cover a lot of losers and you only need a couple of them to finish in front at Cheltenham !

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            • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

              Nothing to explain Q. Just prefer watching my bets win during the week over final profit. Both would be nice of course. But give me 14 winners out of 28 and be level than 3 winners from 28 and in profit every time. The latter would be a horrible weeks racing in my book.
              In a long list, this is possibly the most insane thing you've ever posted Lobos hahaha

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              • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                Awesome
                Wondered when it’d click
                Both Handicap winners as well Shakemupharry and Langer Dan.

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                • Originally posted by robith View Post

                  In a long list, this is possibly the most insane thing you've ever posted Lobos hahaha
                  Not really rob. I'm just an old fashioned sort. Just love going racing, taking it all in, few beers, the thrill of a win if poss and profit is always the last thing on my mind. I'm a dying breed.

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                  • We should publish a Fat Jockey book of infamous quotes

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                    • Originally posted by Wayward Lad View Post

                      Thanks Exar


                      I would look at it another way such as;

                      Really only 29 selections as Chianti picked twice and therefore also really only 2 winners and 2 non runners, unless Chianti backed twice.

                      Therefore 29 points staked and 40 points returned = 11 points profit = 37.9% ROI

                      Even looking at it this way it’s a great return and makes your point that being successful picking such large priced winners does cover a lot of losers and you only need a couple of them to finish in front at Cheltenham !
                      Yes, you could look it that way. I saw it as 10 selections for each person, then amalgamated the two. So essentially, 2 points down.

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                      • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                        At those prices?
                        Fair cop ! Deluded of Hayling Island here.

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                        • Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post

                          Fair cop ! Deluded of Hayling Island here.
                          Hahaha
                          How is Hayling island these days?
                          Went there on holiday as a kid many years ago

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                          • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                            Hahaha
                            How is Hayling island these days?
                            Went there on holiday as a kid many years ago
                            The sun is shining and the sea is cold AND there are no bloody holidaymakers this time of year ! LOL.

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                            • Does anyone else feel that Antepost prices are a little better this year? Yes there are some very poor prices around, but generally, the markets seem to reflect a little better the risk involved betting this far out.

                              We've had opportunity to get every novice hurdler in the book at 14/1+, every Triumph Hurdle horse at 25/1+, and every Bumper horse at 25/1+. Even Ballyburn was 5/1 and 12/1 for the Arkle and BANC respectively prior to the Turners being removed (even though it was an open secret that it was being removed). The best staying chaser since Kauto Star is 7/2 to retain his crown. Teahupoo at 5/2 today isn't terrible value looking at what he is likely to face on the day.

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                              • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post
                                Does anyone else feel that Antepost prices are a little better this year? Yes there are some very poor prices around, but generally, the markets seem to reflect a little better the risk involved betting this far out.

                                We've had opportunity to get every novice hurdler in the book at 14/1+, every Triumph Hurdle horse at 25/1+, and every Bumper horse at 25/1+. Even Ballyburn was 5/1 and 12/1 for the Arkle and BANC respectively prior to the Turners being removed (even though it was an open secret that it was being removed). The best staying chaser since Kauto Star is 7/2 to retain his crown. Teahupoo at 5/2 today isn't terrible value looking at what he is likely to face on the day.
                                Bang on. We're in stable tour season now so expect prices to start going as quotes continue to come out but considering we're now a week out from Down Royal, I'd say the prices still available for the novice hurdles and bumper are fair enough.

                                As for those two 'tried and tested' horses, the prices are more than fair. 5/2 for a horse that would be a dual Stayers winner with a better ride and has answered ground doubts to an extent, it's very fair.

                                Remember Facile Vega being a stupid price for the Supreme before he'd even jumped a hurdle... it's been refreshing to see a more open market, particularly for book builders.

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