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Gordon wants Cheltenham winners for the Morans. Ginto best chance was always this race with Willie sending one of his two star novice's to the Ballymore.
Like Benjy said.
What's changed since last time he spoke.
The great Minella Crooner ruled out.
If I was the Morans I'd have made him reduce his bonus/fees. For being a gobshite.
Agree Q. Trainers taking the piss out of these owners . Splitting horses just to try ending up top trainer. Naughty. Clearly he felt Ginto had his best chance in the Ballymore but now he's potentially asking him to run in a race that doesn't suit as much just because it suits the trainer. Owners should have bigger balls.
I think Gordon wants to reward the Morans with winners. They stood by him last year when he was facing a media and in many areas, a wider public onslaught. The Morans after all their investment, are winnerless still at the Festival. Added to that the AB looks a weak race, as weak a race as the Supreme is deep, on paper. Ginto's also a staying novice g1 winner. Also, by the time of this race, the Morans could be almost amongst the winners of most races next week.
Last edited by Irish Rugby; 10 March 2022, 04:41 PM.
I think Gordon wants to reward the Morans with winners. They stood by him last year when he was facing a media and in many areas, a wider public onslaught. The Morans after all their investment, are winnerless still at the Festival. Added to that the AB looks a weak race, as weak a race as th Supreme is deep, on paper. Ginto's also a staying novice g1 winner. Also, by the time of this race, the Morans could be almost amongst the winners of most races next week.
Completely agree IR.
Also worth remembering Gordon was tutored by Martin Pipe who always picked the easiest route to victory for all his horses.
Second was nowhere for Pipe - winning was everything for him even and if there was an easier target available he'd take it.
My guess is that's what's happened here.
MC's defection means that as far as Gordon is concerned the Bartlett will be an easier race for Ginto to win than the Ballymore - even if it means he's not racing over his ideal trip.
If only Henry DB was so street wise........
And when it comes to the top trainers I reckon Gordon plays a straighter bat with punters than almost anyone else.
Basically every bookie was NRNB when Gordon confirmed the Ballymore, so you’ve only yourself to blame if you backed the horse all in.
It has to be remembered these trainers will be sick to the teeth of being asked the same question a million times (esp GE who’s been on every preview in Ireland almost) so give a semi-accurate answer to get the question off his back. Of course it’s not ideal but I can understand it.
This has made the Bartlett a tidy race now, Should be a good tussle between Ginto & Hillcrest. Would favour Ginto with the Haydock worry and jumping issues for the equine wardrobe although Collette might’ve worked her oracle again on the jumping front.
Hope they still run hollow g. Don’t really get this thing, obsession may be a strong word, but whatever you’d call it , there seems to be a very strongly held belief by a lot of owners that all their horses have to be split up even if it means shoe-horning some into races that don’t suit as much as others so they all fit in somewhere. Hollow games defo still worth his chance here imo
Sorry Guys and Dolls but Your worst enemy Journey With Me simply has to be the best value bet in this race doesn't he ????? Can't see him being out of the first 3 and for me he wins it.
It seems to be a strongly held belief by a lot of punters that owners should give a flying f*ck about what punters think the target should be.
Without the safety net of nrnb, backing on the basis of where they would run if they were yours is a short cut to the poor house.
I see your point in a way.
But if an owner wants a winner at Cheltenham, of say a similar grade of race and similar prestige and prize money.
I'd say a shrewd owner would and should definitely take into account the strength of support in the betting (therefore punters as a collective).
Of course they don't have to be swayed by it whatsoever (it's their horse), but they should consider it for sure, as the popular opinion or consensus is more often right than wrong.
I'm having doubts that Hollow Games will defect to the Martin Pipe. Gordon has planned meticulously all season to win the race with Chemical Energy and I suspect the whole Yard are in on the gamble . Why would he try and scupper that with one of his own ?? Plus he's the final leg in the Lobos Life Changer . It can't happen.
I'm having doubts that Hollow Games will defect to the Martin Pipe. Gordon has planned meticulously all season to win the race with Chemical Energy and I suspect the whole Yard are in on the gamble . Why would he try and scupper that with one of his own ?? Plus he's the final leg in the Lobos Life Changer . It can't happen.
Because he’ll chuck as many horses as he can at the festival to prove a point.
He’ll want winners regardless of who owns them imo.
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