Non Runner No Bet (post #1 for updates)

[germanshepherd]

Paddy cash out isn't much of an asset. They often suspend when your bet flops and when they win you'd be stupid to cash out for a few quid anyway. Then it's suspended when they go NRNB. Bit of a gimmick and not much of an advantage if you can get a few points bigger without it.

[Eggs]

Based on entries at the time I would think
He wouldn't be there likely at the time if it was called off so no refund

....or they might refund all bets on horses that are in their race markets at the time a decision is made.

[Run4Home]

....or they might refund all bets on horses that are in their race markets at the time a decision is made.

Something similar happened in the past few years on refunds where it was based in entries but I just cant think what , feels like last year.

Any help?

[Moby123]

Certainly anyone backing an Irish horse with a firm not offering that concession needs to be very sure that their bet is value cw with using the other firms. Hard to say what the risk of the festival going ahead without the Irish but I'd sooner take 7s with Fred than 8s with Ladbrokes as things stand.

[Moby123]

I have a feeling I heard somewhere that Skybet are also going to refund if the Irish don't travel but can't find anything now. Anyone know?

[Eggs]

I have a feeling I heard somewhere that Skybet are also going to refund if the Irish don't travel but can't find anything now. Anyone know?

....I think Matt Chapman mentioned firms on Saturday who will return monies if Irish horses are not allowed to travel. Indeed, I think there was only a couple who had yet to commit to that decision.

As far as Sky are concerned, the vast majority of their RaBs will be void.

[Lobos]

There would then be a case for refunds on UK horses who have been ruled out...

Why? Its a justice refund out of the goodness of their hearts (that sounds wrong where bookies are concerned) They have to stop somewhere. Easy for them just to make good all bets involving Irish horses surely? Too complicated for them to check entries, deaths , injuries and so on.

[Saxon Warrior]

Paddy cash out isn't much of an asset. They often suspend when your bet flops and when they win you'd be stupid to cash out for a few quid anyway. Then it's suspended when they go NRNB. Bit of a gimmick and not much of an advantage if you can get a few points bigger without it.

I agree, regarding Cheltenham for PP/BFR it’s a short-term Cashout, not a Cashout right to the race.

Thats why I review all my bets with them after the Christmas races and Cashout anything that I pm not prepared to lose Cashout on shortly afterwards.

For all other races though (Guineas, Derby, Royal Ascot), PP/BFR take Cashout right through to the races (not going NRNB), so it’s more like Bet365, except they have a smaller profit if the price shortens.

[Istabraq]

Why? Its a justice refund out of the goodness of their hearts (that sounds wrong where bookies are concerned) They have to stop somewhere. Easy for them just to make good all bets involving Irish horses surely? Too complicated for them to check entries, deaths , injuries and so on.

This was your comment I was responding to:

‘I'd think they would return all bets including dead horses.’

Why should refunds be made on bets placed on injured/deadIrish horses but not UK horses ?
I’m struggling to see the link between any travel ban and (Irish) horses who have sadly lost their lives...

[Moby123]

Let's have it right here. Any firm refunding any bets on Irish horses that are barred from what would be a British only festival are being very generous. After all they would then be left holding all the British antepost bets at what would by then be extremely generous prices. I can only assume that such a concession would only apply to those horses still with entries in the relevant races. As such the issue of dead horses is exactly that. Dead.

[Lobos]

This was your comment I was responding to:

‘I'd think they would return all bets including dead horses.’

Why should refunds be made on bets placed on injured/deadIrish horses but not UK horses ?
I’m struggling to see the link between any travel ban and (Irish) horses who have sadly lost their lives...

Bets placed AP on any race which is abandoned and not rerun you always get your money back alive or dead.

[Istabraq]

Bets placed AP on any race which is abandoned and not rerun you always get your money back alive or dead.

You’ve lost me here, I clearly must be missing something...

[Kevloaf]

Bets placed AP on any race which is abandoned and not rerun you always get your money back alive or dead.

Only if they were entered at the time it was abandoned?


Bookies won't just pay out on any horse that's died, even if it wasn't entered? Where would they draw the line?

[Lobos]

You’ve lost me here, I clearly must be missing something...

I can't make it any clearer surely ? Even if a horse you bet AP dies, if the race you bet it in is subsequently not run, you would get your money back.

[Istabraq]

I can't make it any clearer surely ? Even if a horse you bet AP dies, if the race you bet it in is subsequently not run, you would get your money back.

Last week you were advocating bookmakers refund all bets on Irish horses and void all bets on UK/French horses if the festival is staged without Irish horses, so you’ll forgive my confusion surely....