Non Runner No Bet (post #1 for updates)

[Lobos]

Last week you were advocating bookmakers refund all bets on Irish horses and void all bets on UK/French horses if the festival is staged without Irish horses, so you’ll forgive my confusion surely....

Absolutely. Complete forgiveness.

[Kevloaf]

I can't make it any clearer surely ? Even if a horse you bet AP dies, if the race you bet it in is subsequently not run, you would get your money back.

I'm not sure this is true though...

At what point do they make that decision?

If a horse had died, and wasn't entered say today, for the Stayers Hurdle.... you are saying even if the horse died they'd pay out?



They only would if still entered as of today... (when the entries have gone in)....

[Lobos]

I'm not sure this is true though...

At what point do they make that decision?

If a horse had died, and wasn't entered say today, for the Stayers Hurdle.... you are saying even if the horse died they'd pay out?



They only would if still entered as of today... (when the entries have gone in)....

No. I think they'd pay out if the Stayers wasn't run. I dont see them doing anything different if all Irish horses aren't allowed to travel. I think they will return All Irish bets whenever placed and whatever circumstance. They won't differentiate. It would be too complicated. They'll be allowed to run anyway. They'll see a way around it. Its not that difficult.

[Kevloaf]

No. I think they'd pay out if the Stayers wasn't run. I dont see them doing anything different if all Irish horses aren't allowed to travel. I think they will return All Irish bets whenever placed and whatever circumstance. They won't differentiate. It would be too complicated.

You thinkthey'll pay out on Irish horses that aren't entered?

I understand where the confusion is now - I'll exit stage left, as I don't think it's going to happen anyway.

[Lobos]

You thinkthey'll pay out on Irish horses that aren't entered?

I understand where the confusion is now - I'll exit stage left, as I don't think it's going to happen anyway.

Yes they would but as you say, they'll not need to anyway .

[Liverpoolchamp]

Yes they would but as you say, they'll not need to anyway .

What’s the score if you have like myself Shiskin doubled up with a Irish horse? If they don’t come over then does it then become a single on Shiskin?

[Lobos]

What’s the score if you have like myself Shiskin doubled up with a Irish horse? If they don’t come over then does it then become a single on Shiskin?

That's the way I'd see it yes.

[Liverpoolchamp]

That's the way I'd see it yes.

Right thanks mate,sorry to bang on but I also have Shiskin Eptante in various trebles with Irish horses also,I presume you would say that they would become doubles without the Irish leg of the bet then?

[Lobos]

Right thanks mate,sorry to bang on but I also have Shiskin Eptante in various trebles with Irish horses also,I presume you would say that they would become doubles without the Irish leg of the bet then?

Yep. I'd fully expect them to settle it that way.

[Moby123]

[QUOTE=Lobos;n272308]

No. I think they'd pay out if the Stayers wasn't run. I dont see them doing anything different if all Irish horses aren't allowed to travel. I think they will return All Irish bets whenever placed and whatever circumstance. They won't differentiate. It would be too complicated.

I'm not sure I agree with that (though I do with dead horses being refunded if a race is abandoned).
When horses are balloted out of a race (e.g. the Melbourne Cup each year) the bookies have a list of these horses and you get a refund if your horse is on that list and you don't if it's not (i,e the trainer never paid the final entrance fee). It wouldn't be difficult at all for them to do similar for each festival race and simply go down the latest entries listing the non Brits.

It's possible that as a good will gesture and to save them the effort that they could refund all Irish horses regardless of their pulse rate etc etc but I wouldn't assume that to be the case.....especially as their Irish AP books will be growing bigger by the day.

[Imperial Commander]

[QUOTE=Moby123;n272418]

No. I think they'd pay out if the Stayers wasn't run. I dont see them doing anything different if all Irish horses aren't allowed to travel. I think they will return All Irish bets whenever placed and whatever circumstance. They won't differentiate. It would be too complicated.

I'm not sure I agree with that (though I do with dead horses being refunded if a race is abandoned).
When horses are balloted out of a race (e.g. the Melbourne Cup each year) the bookies have a list of these horses and you get a refund if your horse is on that list and you don't if it's not (i,e the trainer never paid the final entrance fee). It wouldn't be difficult at all for them to do similar for each festival race and simply go down the latest entries listing the non Brits.

It's possible that as a good will gesture and to save them the effort that they could refund all Irish horses regardless of their pulse rate etc etc but I wouldn't assume that to be the case.....especially as their Irish AP books will be growing bigger by the day.

That's a good point at the end, I wonder if the bookies will get to the stage where they say something like "we will give justice refunds on any non-travelling Irish horses on bets up to say, 31st Jan. But from 1st Feb any bets struck on Irish horses are on normal ante post terms", ie you're on your own from now on lads!

[nortonscoin200]

From a PR point of view all the bookies will be under a lot of pressure to do the right think on refunds. You can just see the headlines "bookies profiteering from covid lockdown to fleece furious punters".

That would not be a good look for the big players - and wouldn't play well with the government who can make life tough for bookies through regulation.

I may be wrong, but I don't think we need lose too much sleep over getting our cash back if Irish horses are ruled out - and if the meeting is called off I think they'd probably pay out on the likes of Easywork too.

Again in PR terms how can they be seen to profit from a race that never happened?

They would get so much grief it wouldn't be worth their while trying to defend that position.

[isitmarchyet]

365 pulled a bunch of their markets... feels like something could be happening.

[Markmightbite]

Could bet365 be going NRNB they only show 3 races antepost and 3/4 of my cash out bets are gone ?

[Markmightbite]

Or is it due to entries today?