2025 Novice Chasers

[ComplyOrDie]

Is Majborough underpriced and overrated?
He's beaten the same horses that Mistergif has beaten, yes he did it more convincingly but was it enough to justify his current price?

2nd and 3rd from the triumph are hardly looking like they are superstars, yes the current supreme fav was in behind that day, but we know he wasn't there to win realistically, and has he looked a superstar?
Storm heart? Bunting - shit. I won't go any further.

Mistergif was a 139 rated hurdler who hardly deserved that. 5th in a supreme where not 1 of those above has looked impressive this season, 4th at Aintree behind lookaway (137) and finished his campaign losing to gorgeous Tom, a 135 rated hurdler (128 at time of race) yes he could've improved for a fence but his form and Majborough are too similar for maj to be his price.
I liked the way he pulled clear on the run in but what's he beat?

Is this really the best of the Irish 2 milers?

I mentioned the Triumph form once before, that I didn't think it was all that, and I'm still of the opinion Sir Gino wasn't right when he beat Kargese, I think he could have hammered her plenty further if 100%. From memory the yard were under a fairly big cloud during the Spring.

Only horse that is a potential big improver for me is Majborough, and I took some of the bigger prices he was offered at for the Arkle, before his debut, but I wasn't mad keen on him like some were, after I watched him. Some thought they had seen Pegasus, until Sir Gino showed up at Kempton! I've got him backed, as said, at bigger, but I do think he is now under priced, based on what we've seen from the horses he beat since, and the way a horse, for example, like Ile Atlantique, won.

He'll be off levels, it will harder for him and I'm intrigued to see how he gets on at the DRF now, although he'll still be in receipt of 2lbs.

[Lobos]

Don't see either Maj or Ill Atlantique troubling Sir Gino on what we've seen of the three. He'll have to underperform on the day for either of those to beat him. I'd have Majborough over IA though.

[AaronLad]

I've not bet him but not sure you can say he's underpriced or overrated.

If you were a layer, are you going 4/1+ on him and making him more of an each way price than 3/1. Win only he's slightly above 4/1 on the exchange.

If we look at his Triumph, Kargese came out and gave Sir Gino a good race at Aintree and won against the Irish juveniles at Punchestown. We've only seen her once this year when far too keen. Not sure you can write her off at this stage.

Salver was beat 6 lengths on his favoured ground at Cheltenham. He has since finished 2nd to a 150 horse by half a length and beat a good yardstick in 3rd. He's at least a 150 horse really. Not bad for a horse finishing 3rd in the Triumph.

Nurburgring was 4th and since won the Galway Hurdle easily off 139.

Not sure you're going to win many arguments arguing against that Triumph field.

He beat Tullyhill and Asian Master very easily. Mistergif won a race where those two completely fell in a hole. What price would you make Majborough against Mistergif? And what price would you make the front 5 in the market for the Arkle right now?

Is he the best of the Irish? It appears so but we'll find out in the Irish Arkle when he hopefully takes on Ile Atlantique. Do you think Ile Atlantique should be shorter for his win over Firefox and Inthepocket? Inthepocket hung badly, jumped poorly and had no chance early on. Firefox is average at best. Ile Atlantique hasn't done anything wrong though and his poor novice hurdle form is probably priced into his odds.

Leau Du Sud is a handicapper and I can't have him winning an Arkle. Rest have even less of a chance.

Salver was also beaten in the gerry fielden off 143, his improvement has come from being stepped up in trip, you'd expect an arkle contender to be quicker at the triumph trip.

I'm not writing kargese off but I think we've seen her ceiling at this stage imo.
If nurburgring winning a handicap off 139 is what makes Majborough so appealing, then fair enough.

I'm not sure how I'd price the front 5 right now, I'm not interested in backing any of them.
But I'd have maj as an each way price because i think hes more likely to finish outside top 3 than win it. Maybe 6/1. Rope the each way thieves in and take all the money off win only bettors

Firefox is average at best but he beat mistergif in the Supreme.

Leau du sud is a handicapper, and I pray to the almighty Gidleigh park takes him on in the kingmaker.
But I wasn't asking about the British challenge, we all know sir gino is the one to beat, just think its closer in behind than what the bookies have it.

[Quevega]

Salver was also beaten in the gerry fielden off 143, his improvement has come from being stepped up in trip, you'd expect an arkle contender to be quicker at the triumph trip.

I'm not writing kargese off but I think we've seen her ceiling at this stage imo.
If nurburgring winning a handicap off 139 is what makes Majborough so appealing, then fair enough.

I'm not sure how I'd price the front 5 right now, I'm not interested in backing any of them.
But I'd have maj as an each way price because i think hes more likely to finish outside top 3 than win it. Maybe 6/1. Rope the each way thieves in and take all the money off win only bettors

Firefox is average at best but he beat mistergif in the Supreme.

Leau du sud is a handicapper, and I pray to the almighty Gidleigh park takes him on in the kingmaker.
But I wasn't asking about the British challenge, we all know sir gino is the one to beat, just think its closer in behind than what the bookies have it.

I agree Gino is the one to beat, and Majborough needs to make himself the No1 Irish contender in Dublin, and both the prices of Gino and Majborough are too short.
We might be saying after Dublin that Gino should never have been 7/10 on the exchange. Who knows.

But what I do know is going through the back form is a waste of time and numbers.

Gino's win in the fighting fifth was against horses all rated below 143, except for one horse who seems to be wrong.
In fact, in that race most ran to their marks. And most were mid 130's horses.

He beat this and he beat that is all Bollocks IMO

The fact is based on all known form they both have massive potential, and Gino's win over Ballyburn, albeit with favourable terms and conditions, puts him ahead at this point.

He does look very useful though.

[AaronLad]

I agree Gino is the one to beat, and Majborough needs to make himself the No1 Irish contender in Dublin, and both the prices of Gino and Majborough are too short.
We might be saying after Dublin that Gino should never have been 7/10 on the exchange. Who knows.

But what I do know is going through the back form is a waste of time and numbers.

Gino's win in the fighting fifth was against horses all rated below 143, except for one horse who seems to be wrong.
In fact, in that race most ran to their marks. And most were mid 130's horses.

He beat this and he beat that is all Bollocks IMO

The fact is based on all known form they both have massive potential, and Gino's win over Ballyburn, albeit with favourable terms and conditions, puts him ahead at this point.

He does look very useful though.

Very fair.

I dont like too compare hurdles and chase form, horses can improve at such different measures from one discipline to the other.
which is why I asked is Majborough really the best in ireland?
I was impressed by his chase debut and can see the potential, but i wouldve hoped to have seen one of the 2 he beat to have won nto, and they never.

Sir gino beating ballyburn on favourable terms puts him slightly ahead of Ballyburn, but he did it pretty easily which for me it puts him a good stone clear of Majborough at this point.

Just out of interest, without the uncertainty of his participation, and his bad heart, where do you rank Gidleigh park, in 2mile chase performances so far by novices this season?

[Quevega]

Very fair.

I dont like too compare hurdles and chase form, horses can improve at such different measures from one discipline to the other.
which is why I asked is Majborough really the best in ireland?
I was impressed by his chase debut and can see the potential, but i wouldve hoped to have seen one of the 2 he beat to have won nto, and they never.

Sir gino beating ballyburn on favourable terms puts him slightly ahead of Ballyburn, but he did it pretty easily which for me it puts him a good stone clear of Majborough at this point.

Just out of interest, without the uncertainty of his participation, and his bad heart, where do you rank Gidleigh park, in 2mile chase performances so far by novices this season?

Pretty sure there was a pace collapse in the race Mistergif won. And Majborough appeared to beat them with ease anyhow. So I wouldn't hold that against him.
Pricewise tipping Mistergif makes some sense as he has to go with something of a price and that horse is likely to get an easier prep or go straight to the arkle anyway. And he may be one that stays on if they go too mad up front.

I'd say Gidleigh is probably the second best (by some way to Gino) in the UK on what we've seen, although I'm not sure Warwick would be a suitable track for him.
I'd run him against Gino at Newbury and stop being gay if I was Fry. Nothing to lose.

I'd put him behind at least 4 in Ireland though.

Majborough, Ballyburn, Ile Atlantique and Only by Night would all beat him over 2 miles IMO and forced to bet, if it was even money each of 2.

I think particlulary Majborough, Ile Atlantique and Only by Night seem definite improvers for chasing as they look so strong on landing and the front end - so the energy dissipation is less than with some other horses. Leaving them at an advantage when jumping is important. I think Gidleigh is a little like this but with less natural pace.

He's probably not as good as a couple of others also to be fair, but I'd be less inclined to be against him aside from those 4.

[AaronLad]

Pretty sure there was a pace collapse in the race Mistergif won. And Majborough appeared to beat them with ease anyhow. So I wouldn't hold that against him.
Pricewise tipping Mistergif makes some sense as he has to go with something of a price and that horse is likely to get an easier prep or go straight to the arkle anyway. And he may be one that stays on if they go too mad up front.

I'd say Gidleigh is probably the second best (by some way to Gino) in the UK on what we've seen, although I'm not sure Warwick would be a suitable track for him.
I'd run him against Gino at Newbury and stop being gay if I was Fry. Nothing to lose.

I'd put him behind at least 4 in Ireland though.

Majborough, Ballyburn, Ile Atlantique and Only by Night would all beat him over 2 miles IMO and forced to bet, if it was even money each of 2.

I think particlulary Majborough, Ile Atlantique and Only by Night seem definite improvers for chasing as they look so strong on landing and the front end - so the energy dissipation is less than with some other horses. Leaving them at an advantage when jumping is important. I think Gidleigh is a little like this but with less natural pace.

He's probably not as good as a couple of others also to be fair, but I'd be less inclined to be against him aside from those 4.

Newbury would be lovely for him i agree, but not sure why Warwick wouldn't suit, he coped well with the configuration of windsor and I'd say Warwick would suit him better.
I'd much prefer he waited until the arkle to take on gino.

I'd only have ballyburn and ile atalantique ahead atm myself, think GP's performance is better than the others and he too has scope for much more to come, because windsor, if we're being fair was his chase debut.

A fair assessment overall even if I don't entirely agree

[Quevega]

Newbury would be lovely for him i agree, but not sure why Warwick wouldn't suit, he coped well with the configuration of windsor and I'd say Warwick would suit him better.
I'd much prefer he waited until the arkle to take on gino.

I'd only have ballyburn and ile atalantique ahead atm myself, think GP's performance is better than the others and he too has scope for much more to come, because windsor, if we're being fair was his chase debut.

A fair assessment overall even if I don't entirely agree

Warwick is a sharpish speedy track (definitely the hurdle course less so the chase) and fences come quickly in the back straight.
Think you need to be a bit more nimble.
I'd back Skeltons horse to beat him there. Jockey knows how to judge that.

[AaronLad]

Warwick is a sharpish speedy track (definitely the hurdle course less so the chase) and fences come quickly in the back straight.
Think you need to be a bit more nimble.
I'd back Skeltons horse to beat him there. Jockey knows how to judge that.

Yeah it's the fences coming quick in the back straight which I think would win him that particular battle, although completely agree Harry knows the course better than any other.

[Kevloaf]

Would Sir Gino be favourite for the Champion Hurdle?
What price would Ballyburn have been if he didn't go over fences?

Stupid to speculate on the second one of those especially, but for me if something happens to Cons Hill, I actually think I fancy Sir Gino to win the Champion Hurdle... I feel like he's head and shoulders above. I might be weighting his win against Ballyburn far too highly (probably) but I think it's a one horse race

Before Ballyburn got humbled, and he did get fluffing humbled, there is no way they'd be talking anything up to beat him over 2m in the yard.... all of a sudden, they've got a replacement?


Naaaaah
Sir Gino only has to jump around, he's going to end up better than Jonbon, and up there with his proper 2 mile chasers IMO

I think it's a no contest. I do hope Maj wins at the DRF to at least make it a clash because if not, and he's up against Ile Atlantique as the main rival, it's all over already

[Lobos]

IA....

We'll let Ile Atlantique go here and then we can decide if he goes to Fairyhouse or Aintree over two and a half miles. He has a lovely action but possibly softer ground suits him better over two miles. He's another I might need to keep a bit fresher at home.

Sounds like they'll bypass Festival?

[Guinness Village]

I believe that Firefox will win the Irish arkle. Won’t touch sir gonorrhoea or maj bishop
markets all upside down. Just like the Romeo still being bigger than slavering slumdi

[Guinness Village]

Can we start a Romeo fan club thread?

[That Horse]

maj bishop

Harold's wife from Neighbours?

[Exar Essay]

Harold's wife from Neighbours?

Remember when she came back as a ghost? Good times.