Cheltz Fest 2021 Behind Closed Doors ?

[Pendil]

The odds of surviving Covid are 99.7%, so ill take that Q, seems good to me.

But yes it is personal choice at the end of the day, if people want it then have it. Ill shut up on this now and get back to the racing

Not a controversy I want to get involved in on a racing forum but as a numbers man I only see the UK deaths to positive cases as roughly 3.5pc and not 0.3pc.

[Craigy14]

Lock down the vulnerable and the over 70s for their own protection then let the super spreading twenty and thirty somethings run riot. You know it makes sense.

I wrote a while back that, once vaccination is in full swing, anyone wanting to do hospitality or sports/arts events should have proof of vaccination or negative test within 24 hours. Some of the posts on here make the case far more eloquently than I ever could.

Agree with this Archie, problem I see is that it would be unfair to the last to be vaccined not to be able to attend such events if not vaccined.

Also it would be unfair for such events not to take place until everyone is vaccined.

I know you say until vaccination is in full swing, suppose the next couple of months will be crucial.

Edit - I see myself probably as one of the latter to be vaccinated being a healthy 30 odd year old adult with no previous or current underlying health conditions. Therefore if events took place and I wasn’t allowed to go because I wasn’t vaccinated I would be kicking up a fuss that’s for sure!

[Lobos]

I do think that all members should be ok for March but have doubts that any additional general sales will take place. That seems to be the general sensus.

[Faugheen_Machine]

I had this discussion again at work today with a group of people that said they wouldn't have the vaccine.

They were adamant they weren't getting it, all of them under 40 and didn't believe it was worth the risk to them.

I asked if they'd change their mind if they couldn't travel abroad without it, they all said they would!

It annoyed me to be honest. Selfish people who were only bothered about their week in the sun. It looks like being part of the answer to rolling out the vaccine though, from my admittedly small sample size.

[Quevega]

I had this discussion again at work today with a group of people that said they wouldn't have the vaccine.

They were adamant they weren't getting it, all of them under 40 and didn't believe it was worth the risk to them.

I asked if they'd change their mind if they couldn't travel abroad without it, they all said they would!

It annoyed me to be honest. Selfish people who were only bothered about their week in the sun. It looks like being part of the answer to rolling out the vaccine though, from my admittedly small sample size.

Hopefully they get cancer and refuse the chemo then.

[Pendil]

Sorry folks but I had internet problems for 2 hours ending in a lot of repeats

[Faugheen_Machine]

Hopefully they get cancer and refuse the chemo then.

Exactly!

As with the majority of their generation, they'll think nothing of taking beak on a Saturday night, although I didn't point this out as one of them is a big unit!

[Quevega]

Exactly!

As with the majority of their generation, they'll think nothing of taking beak on a Saturday night, although I didn't point this out as one of them is a big unit!

Self preservation is very important for human survival. You made a good choice

Without human interdependence and our mostly altruistic natures, leading to cooperation and ultimately helping build social capital and resilience.
Most scientists believe the human species would have been extinct a long time ago.

The selfish win at all costs side of some human characters may sometimes result in short term gains but ultimately the machiavellian nature of many will result in their demise.

Machiavellianism forms part of the so called 'dark triad' along with narcissism and psychopathy.

No finer example of the perfect 'dark triad' human is currently the outgoing president of the United States of America.

[jonthehammer]

Before you go can I just ask would you take the vaccine if it was a requirement for entry to sporting events like Cheltenham/football etc and also a requirement for travel in/out of the country?

No I wouldnt

[charlie]

Self preservation is very important for human survival. You made a good choice

Without human interdependence and our mostly altruistic natures, leading to cooperation and ultimately helping build social capital and resilience.
Most scientists believe the human species would have been extinct a long time ago.

The selfish win at all costs side of some human characters may sometimes result in short term gains but ultimately the machiavellian nature of many will result in their demise.

Machiavellianism forms part of the so called 'dark triad' along with narcissism and psychopathy.

No finer example of the perfect 'dark triad' human is currently the outgoing president of the United States of America.

Have you read 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins? I bought it last week but haven't read it yet, but I think it taps into a lot of the above

[Quevega]

Have you read 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins? I bought it last week but haven't read it yet, but I think it taps into a lot of the above

Bits of it, I love Richard Dawkins though.
Particularly like the Sneaky Fucker theory, which in part explains why Gay people have not become extinct.

I google all sorts of bollocks.

[riccirich]

Was talking to a friend the other day about the vaccine and we both thought that we would actually rather get covid than get the covid vaccine. We are both twenty four years old with no known health problems, so if you are to go by the figures I know that the chances of me being in serious danger are very slim, whereas with the vaccine we simply dont know, nobody knows. It is impossible for the scientists who are developing the vaccine to know what side effects may occur five or even ten years from now when they have only been working on the vaccine for a year. Your chances of serious health issues might be significantly higher from getting the vaccine than from getting covid, depending on your age/ health of course.

[charlie]

Bits of it, I love Richard Dawkins though.
Particularly like the Sneaky Fucker theory, which in part explains why Gay people have not become extinct.

I google all sorts of bollocks.

Hahaha so many questions!!!

I'll give TSG a read then

[charlie]

Was talking to a friend the other day about the vaccine and we both thought that we would actually rather get covid than get the covid vaccine. We are both twenty four years old with no known health problems, so if you are to go by the figures I know that the chances of me being in serious danger are very slim, whereas with the vaccine we simply dont know, nobody knows. It is impossible for the scientists who are developing the vaccine to know what side effects may occur five or even ten years from now when they have only been working on the vaccine for a year. Your chances of serious health issues might be significantly higher from getting the vaccine than from getting covid, depending on your age/ health of course.

Do you and your friend have any qualifications in immunology, pharmacology, virology, infectious diseases or degrees in organic chemistry?

[riccirich]

Do you and your friend have any qualifications in immunology, pharmacology, virology, infectious diseases or degrees in organic chemistry?

Cant tell if genuine question or attempt at sarcasm

But no we dont have any such degrees. Im just taking the view that since this vaccine is being rushed in, which of course it is, that the usual testing period is significantly shorter, which means that I would rather not take the risk. I understand that testing periods for vaccines can usually take up to ten years, sometimes longer, so the fact that this vaccine has only been worked on for a year would be a worry for me. If this vaccine has existed for somewhere between 3-6 months lets say, then all that scientists can definitively say is that no adverse side affects have shown up in that time on the people who have tested it. Its impossible for them to say that no side affects will arise after 5-10 years as the vaccine just hasnt existed that long. That is just my view based on my profile which I am led to believe I am at relatively low risk, if I was 75 years old though I would probably be leaning towards getting the vaccine.