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harchibald was on the bridle all the way up the hill - ran a blinder considering paul carberry never used the whip once - if pentland does as well i'd be happy
harchibald was on the bridle all the way up the hill - ran a blinder considering paul carberry never used the whip once - if pentland does as well i'd be happy
I would be thrilled too, I don't care how long he's on the bridle as long as he doesn't win
Epantate Max Bet earlier in the week
Expect him to get back in as more come to terms shes the best horse in the race. Think she was too raw and inexperienced as a novice.
Kempton performance is best on paper, and no reason why she can not improve from that
Yes, took me a while to put a horse, that couldnt win a novice mares, to win a champion hurdle a year later.... but... it's the most likely result
I’ve been waiting in hope for Epatante to drift to 4/1 over the past week to take advantage of the B365 4/1 offer but I can’t see it happening now especially if Chantry or Fakir win. I think I’m going to have to stump up the cash and back her at whatever she is at 3.15pm because the longer it goes on the more I’m coming around to accepting she’s going to win this
When Cornerstone Lad beat BDA, BDA had half a hurdle sticking out of his front hoof, that form is notliteral form.
Is coming out better at the weights vs Ballyandy after their Haydock race really that great?
Is Ballyandy really anything but a handicapper? I think anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. He has not transformed himself as a 9 year old, this year is just pants
Given the light Darasso even in his comeback was better form than that and he clearly has a lot further to come along.
I would say his second to Mick Jazz is better form than most - and that is incredible to say.
It’s also interesting to see how nobody mentions the jockey bookings, for the amateurs it is taken as gospel but is Townend not a massive upgrade over Henry Brooke?
When Cornerstone Lad beat BDA, BDA had half a hurdle sticking out of his front hoof, that form is notliteral form.
He did, but he also had Silver Streak behind him that day... so regardless of what Buveur's hoofs were doing, he was ahead of a horse that placed in a CH last year, who is a shorter price than him in the market.
Is Ballyandy really anything but a handicapper? I think anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. He has not transformed himself as a 9 year old, this year is just pants
Again, nope.... I've said that all year... but the facts are Ballyandy ALSO placed in the Christmas Hurdle, which is the piece of form the Favourte is using?
Given the light Darasso even in his comeback was better form than that and he clearly has a lot further to come along.
I would say his second to Mick Jazz is better form than most - and that is incredible to say.
I don't understand what you're talking about here, but Darasso hasn't run to a higher OR than Cornerstone Lad in his career? Do you mean Cilaos Emery? If so, Cilaos Emery has a peak hurdle rating of 158, Cornerstone Lad is peak 159 - so why the huge difference in price other than trainer?
It’s also interesting to see how nobody mentions the jockey bookings, for the amateurs it is taken as gospel but is Townend not a massive upgrade over Henry Brooke?
There is more of a gulf between the elite amateurs and the amatuers because the elite amatuers are only amateur in name....... obviously nobody will think Brooke is better than Townend, but the gap wouldn't be as far as your example.
Try harder.
Love trying to pick one apart though don't ya
Answer me this though, do you think Cornerstone Lad should be a bigger price than Ballyandy or Silver Streak?
He did, but he also had Silver Streak behind him that day... so regardless of what Buveur's hoofs were doing, he was ahead of a horse that placed in a CH last year, who is a shorter price than him in the market.
He did place in the CH, a 16 length 3rd where he was never put in the race to win, he was purely ridden to try and place as highly as possible.
Nope, but Pentland Hills lost to him and he's been 2nd fav all year ... i'm making a poiint about price and value. Do you understand that?
PH may have been 2nd favourite but personally that is something that I can’t understand at all. He has no relevant form outside of winning the Triumph, but for Triumph winners to be relevant they need to destroy a field aka Our Conor, not like PH win. I would agree he is and always has been a stinking price.
Again, nope.... I've said that all year... but the facts are Ballyandy ALSO placed in the Christmas Hurdle, which is the piece of form the Favourte is using?
Again an overrated piece of form for me and if I had the bank I’d laynher all day
I don't understand what you're talking about here, but Darasso hasn't run to a higher OR than Cornerstone Lad in his career? Do you mean Cilaos Emery? If so, Cilaos Emery has a peak hurdle rating of 158, Cornerstone Lad is peak 159 - so why the huge difference in price other than trainer?
I meant that CEs beating of Darasso good form despite it being criticised . Ratings aren’t always accurate, I think horses can be overrated based on the grade of race they race in regardless of the quality of that race.
If CE has stuck to hurdles he would be higher than 158 imo
Answer me this though, do you think Cornerstone Lad should be a bigger price than Ballyandy or Silver Streak?[/B]
I would expect Cornerstone to go off shorter than either of them due to the potential ground, however I am not surprised he is bigger odds as we speak. People see the 3rd by Silver Streak and Ballyandy has been overbet ever since winning the Bumper.
The initial was CE v Cornerstone Lad and I would agree that CE should be significantly shorter. I saw someone else make the point about how most of us would/had backed him to win a CC vs Altior/CPS/DDS and he was at the same odds for that as he is the CH. when you look at it like that there is no reason for him to still be 7-8/1
Fair enough, I'm not going to repeat myself as I've pretty much already said everything here #2415
(and the few posts I made after it.)
Isn't much to add....
As a betting angle, when two horses are rated the same, and one is 4 times the price, I'll keep plugging away with reasons to back the bigger priced one - it'll work out best in the long run
Cornerstone Lad is 10/1 (9 places)
Cilaos Emery is 15/2 (4 places)
If I could only have one each way bet, it'd be Cornerstone Lad out of those two.
I did back CE to win a QMCC as well, but that's price related, at the time we didn't know Defi would win a Tingle Creek, Altior had been beaten as was aiming for a difference race and CPS hadn't run but then lost first time out....(might not have those dates exactly right but you will get my point)
So using the QMCC, now, as it is - is not fair or realistic. We 'assume' CE would be an Arkle winner, we were all happy to chance him at a price - but the QMCC hadn't taken shape yet.... Altior 100% was going up in trip, CPS hadn't run, and when he did he got beat, and Defi was actually fav for the Ryanair?
To be fair I should have just said that, it'd have nipped it in the bud
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harchibald was on the bridle all the way up the hill - ran a blinder considering paul carberry never used the whip once - if pentland does as well i'd be happy
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