• HELP US - Become a Patron - Fat Jockey is a horse racing community focused on all the big races in the UK and Ireland. We don't charge users but if you have found the site useful then any support towards the running costs is appreciated ... a small donation each month would be a huge contribution. Become a Patron!

2015 Arkle Trophy Chase

timeform rate josses at 144p a bit to go then.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>.<a href="https://twitter.com/Timeform1948">@Timeform1948</a> Arkle contenders. <a href="http://t.co/fW22grsT9e">pic.twitter.com/fW22grsT9e</a></p>— At The Races (@AtTheRaces) <a href="https://twitter.com/AtTheRaces/status/554619453279707136">January 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Where on Earth did they get that figure for UDS, has he beaten anything with a rating higher than 120, I think they are listening to the propaganda machine with this one. It will be interesting to watch him in the Irish Arkle against something that can gallop, but I would be surprised if he turns up, I get the impression connections are a bit scared of decent competition.
 
Where on Earth did they get that figure for UDS, has he beaten anything with a rating higher than 120, I think they are listening to the propaganda machine with this one. It will be interesting to watch him in the Irish Arkle against something that can gallop, but I would be surprised if he turns up, I get the impression connections are a bit scared of decent competition.

Smashing has a BHA of 148 and he beat him 12L.

Unproven on the track though and front runners in the Arkle are to be avoided.

I think the Clarcam rating looks wrong. They seem to assume he ran to the same level when Vautour beat him as he did after it. I would be very surprised if Clarcam hasnt improved.

all about opinions:cool:
 
Yep, you're so right Mayo, the debate is all part of the fun. I'm still of the opinion that, based on what he's done, UDS is rated very high, and if they can take a literal line on a single meeting between two contenders, why wouldn't Clarcam be a dozen points higher than Vautour, he beat him comfortably when they last met, it appears to be bending to the hype to me.
I hope they do run him in the Irish Arkle and if there is a large element of myth I would rather see it exposed there than Cheltenham, partly because if he flops it would increase the possibility of Vautour running in the Arkle instead of the JLT, and if W Mullins is correct and we see the real Vautour on decent ground I still think he is something special. Of course the alternative would also hold true, that being if UDS ran in the Irish Arkle and hosed up against quality opposition, he would then be worthy of both the hype and his place at the festival and I would look forward to seeing another great champion come up the hill in front.
 
A bit of jockey analysis for the Arkle

http://www.fatjockey.com/cheltenham..._races.php?Arkle-Trophy-Chase-Jockey-Form-157

Would it put you off UDS ?

I haven't seen anything regarding UDS to suggest he's up to this grade, I can't see how Timeform have managed to rate him so highly so the Ruby Walsh poor record in the race is another negative for me. Having said that I was very keen on Vautour for the Arkle and I suppose that same negative would apply, in every other way though Vautour seems to be the right Mullins horse for this race but who am I to question these connections.
Here's another thought, if connections of Vautour believe him to be potentially good enough for a QMCC entry why then would they prefer the 2m 5f in novice company, why not go for the Ryanair, something isn't making sense, maybe Willie simply has too many good horses and will just have to accept that they will clash at some point. Vautour and UDS both relatively high in the Champion hurdle betting again now, I'd like to bet that if they all turned up UDS would be Rubys last choice.
 
Last edited:
Vautour entered at the weekend over longer - Lord Windemere ran in same race before winning the sun alliance

Anyone like the Nicholls horses ? Ptit Zgig looked very good. Vibrato looks like a reformed character too. Does Noel keep the ride?
 
Ruby riding any horse you might have backed at the Festival is a bonus.

He is Timeform top rated jockey -last years numbers


Bryan Cooper could spring a shock in the Top Jockey market Bryan Cooper could spring a shock in the Top Jockey market
Join today View market

Timeform's stats whizz Michael Williamson crunches the numbers and evaluates the 'top jockey' market...

For many, this year's Festival banker is not an equine superstar. Ruby Walsh, who sits atop Timeform's Cheltenham Festival Jockey Rankings, currently trades at 4/6 to take the Thomas Pink award for leading rider and, injury aside, looks a pretty sure bet to take the honours for the eighth time. But is he invincible? We'll use our Jockey Rankings to help us find out.

For those new to Timeform's Jockey Rankings, we believe that when evaluating performance there is much more to consider than simply numbers of winners, strike rates or returns to level stakes, whether it be for horses, trainers or, indeed, jockeys.

While a jockey goes out with the goal of winning, independent of the quality of horse or its chance, all they can realistically aim for is to ensure that it runs to the best of its ability. At Timeform we measure that by assessing a horse's post-race rating against its pre-race one to formulate performance against expectation, adjusted for context with statistical techniques.

Timeform has already undertaken a wholesale study using jockey ratings which, with a sense of inevitability, showed that Ruby Walsh was statistically dominant across almost all facets. Where the Festival is concerned, it's a case of different survey, same result.

Below are the top 10 jockeys with over 50 runners currently in action, based solely on rides at the Festival:

jockeyrankings1.png

The 2009 Festival, when aboard seven winners, was a watershed for Walsh, while in 2011, he had a treble (Al Ferof, Hurricane Fly and Quevega) on 'Ruby Tuesday'.

Astoundingly, the latter feat was repeated last year, with the racing equivalent of football's perfect hat-trick, bagging the Supreme on Champagne Fever (master-class from the front), the Champion Hurdle on Hurricane Fly (well-judged ride in a race run at a break-neck pace) and the Mares' Hurdle on Quevega.

Walsh is head and shoulders above his contemporaries in terms of Festival winners, out clear on 38, with 22 of those coming over hurdles, and his record is, unsurprisingly, just as impressive measured by other established statistical methods, such as Impact Values (evaluating total wins vs. expected wins), percentage of rivals beaten and Market Value (expressed as the factor by which the % chance of a Betfair Starting Price exceeds random, as implied by field size).

Hurdles

jockeyrankings2.png

Walsh's Rating and Impact Value in bumpers is even more impressive, albeit from a smaller sample.

Bumpers

jockeyrankings3.png

While Walsh can no longer call on the battalions of runners from Paul Nicholls (provided 21 of his 38 Festival winners), the firepower at his disposal remains much the same due to his powerful alliance with Willie Mullins. Mullins, who has won 22 Festival races, is mob-handed, with no less than 21 horses in the Supreme, Baring Bingham, Albert Bartlett and Triumph Hurdles alone.

But with all this talent to choose from, is there a risk of Walsh getting it wrong?

Probably not. In Graded races, he has only ever twice selected the wrong option from the same stable, famously siding with Kauto Star over Denman in the 2008 Gold Cup and then opting for Sam Winner instead of Zarkandar in the 2011 Triumph Hurdle.

Most evidence, then, suggests that Walsh is as good as past the post and could even have it wrapped up by the end of day one, with his mounts including Hurricane Fly, Quevega and Champagne Fever.

One of the pieces of trivia doing the rounds in the build up to Cheltenham, however, is the fact that Walsh hasn't had a Festival Chase winner since landing the Gold Cup on Kauto Star in 2009 - that's a 35-run losing streak against an expected 2.87 winners.

By his own very high standards, the last four years have been below expectation as far as chases on the Old Course are concerned, with a % of rivals beaten of 35% in all races and just 30% in championship events. But overall it's as much a case of his hurdles record being exceptional rather than his chase record being below-par, with a creditable average rating over Festival fences of 3.02.

Chases

jockeyrankings4.png
* Walsh won the Mildmay of Flete Challenge Cup aboard Blowing Wind on 13/03/2002 (25/1). This is not included in our ratings as no Timeform rating was available pre-race.

So, what is the point of this article? To spend 1000 words telling you that Walsh is the top jockey at the Festival and that he's a fair bet to land the prize again?

No. What if there was a jockey that could boast a Festival rating on a par with Walsh's and a book of rides at least comparable with Geraghty (doesn't have either Sprinter Sacre or Simonsig this year, nor another Henderson stable star in My Tent Or Yours) and McCoy (has a rich selection of handicappers but few obvious bankers).

If we reduce the qualification limit for a festival rating to 20 runners and caveat that the small sample size may be misleading, one jockey doesn't just match Walsh, he comprehensively outguns him.

Step forward Bryan Cooper, who was only one win off taking the Top Jockey award last season despite being freelance. Now the main man for the considerable Gigginstown string, which scores highly for both quality and quantity, Cooper might not have the same ammo on paper as Ruby Walsh, but he does have the pick of an arsenal that includes big-guns Last Instalment, Trifolium and First Lieutenant. To boot, if any spare rides do crop up, as happened in 2013 with the last-named in the Ryanair, then Cooper is an obvious go-to jockey, still keeping close ties with the Dessie Hughes and Tony Martin yards.
 
Outsider from Donn :confused:


Sizing Granite

Sizing Granite put up a nice performance to win the two-mile novices’ chase at Naas on Sunday. Quickly into a nice rhythm for Jonathan Burke behind the good pace that was set by habitual tearaway Rory O’Moore, his jumping was impressive and accurate throughout. A close-up third as they rounded the home turn, he moved to the near side in the home straight, and joined Draycott Place and Fine Rightly in the lead at the second last fence. He jumped that obstacle well, moved on with Fine Rightly on the run to the last and, after jumping that fence well, about a half-length in front, he stayed on really well up the hill to the line to come away from Stuart Crawford’s horse in the final 100 yards.

This was a good performance by Henry de Bromhead’s horse. He probably didn’t travel as strongly as Fine Rightly through the race, but his jumping was good, and he stayed on really well to win in a good time. He was a decent novice hurdler last season, but he is built to jump fences, and he was really good in winning his beginners’ chase at Naas in November on his chasing bow, beating subsequent Hatton’s Grace Hurdle and Christmas Hurdle winner Lieutenant Colonel into second place. He was beaten when he unseated his rider in the Craddockstown Chase at Punchestown two weeks later, but his trainer said on Sunday that he probably ran him back too quickly after his Naas win, that he is probably a horse who needs time between his races. And sure enough, after a seven-week break, he came back well on Sunday, putting up the best performance of his career.

The Milan gelding is an exciting novice chaser now. He is apparently on track for the Arkle at Cheltenham, and he would be an interesting outsider in that if he took his chance in it, especially if he didn’t race between now and then. That said, he shapes as if he will improve as he steps up in trip. Of course, stamina is no liability to carry into an Arkle, but it may be that the JLT would be a more suitable Cheltenham Festival option this year. Either way, he is an exciting prospect who will be of interest wherever he goes next, and who is an exciting long-term prospect.

4th January 2014
 
Vautour entered at the weekend over longer - Lord Windemere ran in same race before winning the sun alliance

Anyone like the Nicholls horses ? Ptit Zgig looked very good. Vibrato looks like a reformed character too. Does Noel keep the ride?

PZ = JLT

Vibrato has possibilities. Have a bit o loose change on three kingdoms.
 
Vautour over 2miles 3f at Leopardstown sunday.

On 2 rivals.
 
Having a strange campaign is Sergeant Reckless but I get the logic.

court Minstrel is another at a price I might back...

:mad: I did and then

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Evan Williams has just told us Court Minstrel is 'not too likely' to run in the Arkle and will probably wait for Aintree and Ayr</p>— RP Weekender (@RPWeekender) <a href="https://twitter.com/RPWeekender/status/556067358197153792">January 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
:mad: I did and then

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Evan Williams has just told us Court Minstrel is 'not too likely' to run in the Arkle and will probably wait for Aintree and Ayr</p>— RP Weekender (@RPWeekender) <a href="https://twitter.com/RPWeekender/status/556067358197153792">January 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bummer, I feel your pain Old Vic
 
Vautour is bombing


After that it is down to real business and a date with one of my favourite horses, Vautour, in a Grade 2 novice chase.

The world and its mother knows that he ran a shocker at Leopardstown and, if there is an explanation for that effort, then I don’t know what it is.

What I do know is I sat on Vautour during the week and he is bombing. He never turned up the last day, but I’m especially looking forward to getting him right back on track.
 
Vautour is bombing


After that it is down to real business and a date with one of my favourite horses, Vautour, in a Grade 2 novice chase.

The world and its mother knows that he ran a shocker at Leopardstown and, if there is an explanation for that effort, then I don’t know what it is.

What I do know is I sat on Vautour during the week and he is bombing. He never turned up the last day, but I’m especially looking forward to getting him right back on track.

I hope bombing means he's in great nick, the problem, still, is which race will he go for, I still have my fingers crossed that he goes for the Arkle, it puts a big hole in my ante-post book if not. If he wins in a hack canter on Sunday the bookies will most likely shorten him for the Arkle and JLT with neither being nrnb they will want to get some cash in the satchel to offset any losses if he wins at the festival. If he fails to impress on Sunday I'm not sure where that leaves him, it still doesn't represent the conditions that will prevail at Cheltenham, where he was so impressive last year.
 
Ruby made a point on morning line about riding Vautour prominently in Supreme because he was a stayer. I am sure he wants to keep UDS and Vautour apart.
 
If both un de sceaux and vautour win their next races rest assured mullins will not run them against each other in the Arkle.Why do that when you can give the stable the chance of winning 2 Cheltenham races.Ricci is always sympathetic to other stable stars in mullins yard and for me Un De Sceaux was always going the Arkle route provided everything went to plan,with Vautour as back up if it didnt.Vautour could run at either distance of Arkle or Jlt but Un De Sceaux could only go for Arkle.
 
If both un de sceaux and vautour win their next races rest assured mullins will not run them against each other in the Arkle.Why do that when you can give the stable the chance of winning 2 Cheltenham races.Ricci is always sympathetic to other stable stars in mullins yard and for me Un De Sceaux was always going the Arkle route provided everything went to plan,with Vautour as back up if it didnt.Vautour could run at either distance of Arkle or Jlt but Un De Sceaux could only go for Arkle.

+1 ;) exactly.
 
Vautour (Ruby) runs in the 2m 3f novice chase. We are preparedto forgive him for his poor run here over Christmas as he is working well at home since. He seemed to have a little muscle problem and wasn’t moving properly. We are expecting him to show his true ability today.

News ^
 
On the morning line yesterday somebody emailed a question to A P and Ruby asking which of the other ones festival rides would they pinch if they could and without hesitation A P said Un De Sceaux in the Arkle, so he's obviously a much better horse in the eyes of the champ than I give him credit for. If he gets to the Arkle I'd like to see him do what so many people think he can, but I still have my doubts, time will tell I suppose. I'd still prefer to see Vautour in the race, looking unlikely now though, as others on here have said, JLT much more likely, unless he flops today, then he may be reverted to hurdles, wouldn't that put the cat amongst the pigeons.