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2025 Triumph Hurdle

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  • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

    Lulamba declared, alongside Mondo Man, no Sauvignon yet.

    Nicholls has declared Hitman later on the card, so it may be that Sauvignon doesn't run.
    Cobden on Moutarde, so Sauvignon almost certainly doesn't run.

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    • No news on Palladium yet.

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      • Anyone heard anything about Gordon’s Zaynab for this? Could be one lurking at 50/1 (Denise, BF/PP) who’s price could end up far less than that in a few weeks…

        Entered at the DRF in the race with all of those at the head of the market, decent performance there no way she’ll be 50/1 after.

        Won first time out over hurdles at Listowel despite being hampered. Form of that’s been franked by the 2nd & 3rd winning again since.

        Previous run before that was at Royal Ascot where not disgraced in the Sandrigham Stakes.

        She’s clearly got speed & can jump. She’s also a full sister to Zanahiyr.

        Belted and e/w on her this morning at 50s & gone into a couple of accs. too… on the off chance she runs well at the DRF & puts herself in the picture for this.

        Last edited by MadeinJapan; 16 January 2025, 11:57 AM. Reason: Realised she’s a mare! Amended him to her etc.

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        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
          No news on Palladium yet.
          I've heard they're putting a Royal Variety show on later in the year.

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          • Originally posted by MadeinJapan View Post
            Anyone heard anything about Gordon’s Zaynab for this? Could be one lurking at 50/1 (Denise, BF/PP) who’s price could end up far less than that in a few weeks…

            Entered at the DRF in the race with all of those at the head of the market, decent performance there no way she’ll be 50/1 after.

            Won first time out over hurdles at Listowel despite being hampered. Form of that’s been franked by the 2nd & 3rd winning again since.

            Previous run before that was at Royal Ascot where not disgraced in the Sandrigham Stakes.

            She’s clearly got speed & can jump. She’s also a full sister to Zanahiyr.

            Belted and e/w on her this morning at 50s & gone into a couple of accs. too… on the off chance she runs well at the DRF & puts herself in the picture for this.

            Was carrying 15lbs less than the horse finishing 4 lengths second, and 7lbs less than the horse 4 n half lengths back in 3rd. Got a RPR of 102 for that run. Taking that all into account then it would be hard to see the amount of improvement needed being achieved to be in the frame at the DRF.

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            • Originally posted by Black Dog View Post

              I've heard they're putting a Royal Variety show on later in the year.
              Is Jimmy Tarbuck still alive?

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              • Originally posted by Many Clouds View Post

                Was carrying 15lbs less than the horse finishing 4 lengths second, and 7lbs less than the horse 4 n half lengths back in 3rd. Got a RPR of 102 for that run. Taking that all into account then it would be hard to see the amount of improvement needed being achieved to be in the frame at the DRF.
                True - it’s clearly a stiff ask to win if all show up at DRF but thought placing & 50/1 will go so. Some e/w value in an open Triumph where granted everything’s practically open to endless improvement.

                Might be Gordon doesn’t send her anyway but she improves at DRF & then again at Cheltenham there are worse 50/1 pokes that won’t be on day. All guesswork obviously.

                She’ll get a 7lb pull in the Triumph & Gordon’s record in it is 2 wins & 4 places from 12 runners so thought telling if she actually turns up. A big if but obviously that’s currently reflected in price.

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                • Originally posted by That Horse View Post

                  Is Jimmy Tarbuck still alive?
                  He is, though no doubt Ant and Dec have claimed that gig from him...

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                  • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                    Lulamba declared, alongside Mondo Man, no Sauvignon yet.

                    Nicholls has declared Hitman later on the card, so it may be that Sauvignon doesn't run.
                    Lulamba will be some horse if he can give 10lbs to MM if it runs anywhere near its French form. I’m on both for Triumph but I know my MM bet is dead if it can’t beat Lulamba on those terms…….some race in prospect

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                    • Did a bit of digging around Saint Lucie earlier, can someone please explain why this one is 10/1 here ?
                      I'm struggling to find anything in her form that points to her being a G1 winner in waiting...

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                      • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
                        Did a bit of digging around Saint Lucie earlier, can someone please explain why this one is 10/1 here ?
                        I'm struggling to find anything in her form that points to her being a G1 winner in waiting...
                        I'd say there are 3 or 4 factors at play with her.

                        Lack of real superstar in the division, as of yet. Lulamba/Mondo Man out this weekend, may change this.

                        She won as she liked, and as expected I guess, on debut, recording a high enough RPR.

                        Connections. Ricci/WPM. Vauban/Lossiemouth recency bias.

                        Willies record with mares by Great Pretender is something to note too, both Lossiemouth & Benie Des Dieux are by the same sire.


                        I'm not saying I think she is necessarily the correct price, but maybe some reasons as to why so short.

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                        • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                          I'd say there are 3 or 4 factors at play with her.

                          Lack of real superstar in the division, as of yet. Lulamba/Mondo Man out this weekend, may change this.

                          She won as she liked, and as expected I guess, on debut, recording a high enough RPR.

                          Connections. Ricci/WPM. Vauban/Lossiemouth recency bias.

                          Willies record with mares by Great Pretender is something to note too, both Lossiemouth & Benie Des Dieux are by the same sire.


                          I'm not saying I think she is necessarily the correct price, but maybe some reasons as to why so short.
                          Understood, and agree with everything, I am however of the view that Vauban/Lossiemouth had shown a high level of ability by now to justify high placing in the market.
                          Nothing in her bumper has won and only one of those in her Auteuil debut has won since, and there are some seriously lowly RPRs in there....

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                          • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                            No news on Palladium yet.
                            Nicky Henderson
                            "I’m also pleased to report that everything is going nicely with Palladium who schooled very, very well this morning and we are going to be launching him soon. The plan is to appear over hurdles in the very near future."​

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                            • Originally posted by Trigger View Post

                              Nicky Henderson
                              "I’m also pleased to report that everything is going nicely with Palladium who schooled very, very well this morning and we are going to be launching him soon. The plan is to appear over hurdles in the very near future."​
                              “Launching him soon”. Nicky must think he’s a rocket

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                              • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

                                Understood, and agree with everything, I am however of the view that Vauban/Lossiemouth had shown a high level of ability by now to justify high placing in the market.
                                Nothing in her bumper has won and only one of those in her Auteuil debut has won since, and there are some seriously lowly RPRs in there....
                                Yeah, like I said, I'm not agreeing about her current price, at all, but this would be my understanding as to why she is where she is.

                                East India Docks performance LTO aside, the rest have been a bit meh!

                                You could upgrade Hello Neighbours win, being his first ever run over hurdles and straight into a graded race against experienced rivals, but aside from that we await a potential superstar!

                                Could one be found on Saturday? Who knows!

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