Cheltenham Festival Roll-Ups

[Lobos]

I also fancy war lord

Greaneteen is there for a jog round as a prep run and takes a nice chunk out of the market

Spot on FF. He did the same last season before bolting up in the TC.

[Benjy23]

Anyone for the Conflated today and Galvin Cross Country double

Actually going to go for a small double on Knight Salute at Wincanton and Vauban for the Champion Hurdle. KS not really favoured by the race conditions with his G1 penalty but he's outsider of the field so it's well factored into his price imo. Good ground and small field no problem though. And an opportunity to get Vauban onside, just in case last year's juveniles were a really good bunch. 84.5/1 at the moment.

[FinalFurlong91]

Race ended for art power after 5 yards unfortunately

Would surely have beaten those if he'd not almost fallen over coming out the stalls

[Benjy23]

Race ended for art power after 5 yards unfortunately

Would surely have beaten those if he'd not almost fallen over coming out the stalls

Aye, was actually quite impressed he plugged on into 3rd. For a horse that likes to lead.

[FinalFurlong91]

Aye, was actually quite impressed he plugged on into 3rd. For a horse that likes to lead.

Yes he made up a huge amount of ground to even get third

Just one of those things, hopefully not a sign of things to come for the rest of the day

[Benjy23]

That'll be the last time I try to get Vauban on side for a while. Maybe they were an awful bunch of juveniles.

[opatcho]

They need to give these ex-juveniles some sort of concession when they go into open company.

[FinalFurlong91]

They need to give these ex-juveniles some sort of concession when they go into open company.

Yes they do seem to struggle dont they, 3yos get weight from the older horses on the flat it would seem a similar concession

I know espoir dallen won the champion hurdle but that was a bit of a fluke with apples jade/laurina bombing, buveur dair falling and bringing down sharjah

[DenmanSacre]

They need to give these ex-juveniles some sort of concession when they go into open company.

This is where France gets it right and they still have championship races for the 3 going on 4 year olds from the Cambaceres in the Autumn, Alain du Bresil in the Spring and then the Renaud du Vivier the following Autumn. Gives them 2 years of racing against their peers before going up against their elders the following Spring.

[ComplyOrDie]

They need to give these ex-juveniles some sort of concession when they go into open company.

I disagree.

They are brought as juveniles to run in specific juvenile races. The owners/trainers can hold them back a season and run them as novice hurdlers though. They aren't forced to go down the juvenile route.

Best chance for some horses are as juveniles, so can understand why they don't hold them back, but I don't think they should then be given a concession because of this. They still have the rest of their careers to become successful, Tiger Roll probably the most obvious example.

[opatcho]

I disagree.

They are brought as juveniles to run in specific juvenile races. The owners/trainers can hold them back a season and run them as novice hurdlers though. They aren't forced to go down the juvenile route.

Best chance for some horses are as juveniles, so can understand why they don't hold them back, but I don't think they should then be given a concession because of this. They still have the rest of their careers to become successful, Tiger Roll probably the most obvious example.

I mean, where does Knight Salute go now... maybe better looking at prevent steps here, instead of patching up an issue. Maybe we just get rid of the juvenile division altogether. Personally, thats what I would do, I have zero interest in this division and would rather trainers and owners hold them back another year

Tiger Roll, Defi, Frodon, Apples Jade... they came through in the end, but so many have just fallen off the cliff, and tend to done after their first season in open company

[ComplyOrDie]

I mean, where does Knight Salute go now... maybe better looking at prevent steps here, instead of patching up an issue. Maybe we just get rid of the juvenile division altogether. Personally, thats what I would do, I have zero interest in this division and would rather trainers and owners hold them back another year

Tiger Roll, Defi, Frodon, Apples Jade... they came through in the end, but so many have just fallen off the cliff, and tend to done after their first season in open company

It's down to connections to plan the future of the horse, so if they ruin a season or two because of going down the juvenile hurdle route then that's on them. They know the format and process.

Knight Salute just had a very quick turnaround from his previous race, so this could have been an issue for him, or they could be planning on getting his mark down.

They have handicap marks so maybe that is all they are out of juvenile company. Knight Salute only really done well against the British lot, he was hammered in the key juvenile race of the season, the Irish dominated and Pied Piper, who likely was primed for Cheltenham rather than Aintree, had to be demoted for Knight Salute to win the race. I just don't think he's that level tbh.

[riccirich]

Not really a roll up but thought this was the best place to highlight BEECHWOOD running in the 1:50 Naas.

looks well overpriced at 28/1, trainer has had a lot of newcomers run well on debut this season and this one cost 140k, has an Irish oaks entry and is by Le Havre who’s progeny enjoy a dig in the ground and it’s heavy going at Naas today.

it doesn’t look the strongest of maidens depth wise so if this one is anyway above average I’d say she had a good chance of hitting the frame

edit has now drifted to 50/1

[HesTheOne]

Not really a roll up but thought this was the best place to highlight BEECHWOOD running in the 1:50 Naas.

looks well overpriced at 28/1, trainer has had a lot of newcomers run well on debut this season and this one cost 140k, has an Irish oaks entry and is by Le Havre who’s progeny enjoy a dig in the ground and it’s heavy going at Naas today.

it doesn’t look the strongest of maidens depth wise so if this one is anyway above average I’d say she had a good chance of hitting the frame

edit has now drifted to 50/1

Great shout followed you in with extra places with 365, thank youuuu

[riccirich]

Great shout followed you in with extra places with 365, thank youuuu

Good to hear, the trainer has had a lot of similar types go well this flat season, he’s getting well bred horses but since he’s new to the training ranks they are going off at massive prices, worth keeping an eye on for the future