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Originally posted by Eggs View Post...Cloth Cap to win at Kelso on Saturday & GN 66-1 Hills
must admit the favourite looks a good thing and I’d have bet this special all day long. Easy to say in hindsight but with no weight penalty he was always going to go short.
if he’s anywhere near 8-1 on or around the day that’s a cracking price.
discorama would be my second choice if he were to come over.
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Originally posted by Quevega View Post
Only just catching up with this thread after backing a few today NRNB.
must admit the favourite looks a good thing and I’d have bet this special all day long. Easy to say in hindsight but with no weight penalty he was always going to go short.
if he’s anywhere near 8-1 on or around the day that’s a cracking price.
discorama would be my second choice if he were to come over.
.....Cloth Cap was 250-1 to win the Ladbroke & GN. That’s not looking too bad now.
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Originally posted by FaugheenTheMachine View PostAnyone a clear view on what Rachel Blackmore will ride? Minella Times? It’s the obvious one to back now as a massive shortener on the day if we can decide which one she’ll definitely ride
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Afternoon all, relatively new forum member here who has been dealing with the post-Cheltenham comedown by trying to narrow down the GN field. I've applied 12 trends to the top 60 odd weights and so far 8 horses meet 10 of 12 trends, including Cloth Cap. There are another 3 or 4 which just miss a few categories and I will add them when I get the chance.
Not a full-proof method to find the winner by any means but perhaps a useful staring point. Thoughts, musings, criticisms welcome. The more holes picked the better;
1. Lake View Lad (10/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National N (2019 PU after 27fences)
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f+ N (7 run 24f+)
2. Mr Malarky (11/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f N
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f+ Y
3. Beware the Bear (10/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree N
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f+ Y
4. Kimberlite Candy (10/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days N
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f+ Y
5. Lord du Mesnil (11/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences N
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f+ Y
6. Potters Corner (10/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences N
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences N
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f+ Y
*Note won previously over 29f+. PU LTO. 2 chase falls/URs
7. Cloth Cap (11/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree N
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f+ Y
*Note last RPR 165, 17lbs above OR 148. 1 chase falls/URs
8. Canelo (10/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k N
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f+ N
*Note no runs over 29f+. 0 chase falls/URsLast edited by Shergar; 23 March 2021, 04:20 PM.
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Originally posted by mayo View PostWelcome Shergar.
How many of those are Trevor Hemmings horses ? Incredibly simplistic but have always thought JP McManus looks to buy Champion Hurdlers, Gigginstown Gold Cup winners and Hemmings Grand National winners.Last edited by Shergar; 22 March 2021, 06:11 PM.
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A few I missed and a few more who were close to 10/12 or just of interest;
9. Give Me a Copper (10/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won chase over 24f Y
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days N
- <2 falls over fences N
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs YY
- 8+ runs 24f Y
10. Burrows Saint (9/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won chase over 24f Y
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree N
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f N
*Note won previously over 29f+. 0 chase falls/URs
11. Ok Corral (9/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won over 24f Y
- Placed over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs N
- 8+ runs 24f N
*Note 0 chase falls/URs
12. Talkischeap (8/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won chase over 24f Y
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree N
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs N (9 chase runs)
- 8+ runs 24f N (7 runs 24f+)
13. Bristol de Mai (10/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs N
- Won chase over 24f Y
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days N
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f Y
*Note no runs over 29f+. 1 chase falls/URs. Top weight.
14. Ballyoptic (9/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won chase over 24f Y
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences N
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National N
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f Y
*Note 2nd previously over 29f+. 2 chase falls/URs, both at Aintree.
15. Magic of Light (7/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won chase over 24f N
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences N
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National N
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f N
*Note 2nd 2019. 2 chase falls/URs.
16. Acapella Bourgeois (9/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won chase over 24f Y
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences N
- 1+ run at Aintree N
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f Y
*Note 3rd previously over 29f+. 2 chase falls/URs.
17. Anibale Fly (10/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won chase over 24f Y
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR N
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences Y
- 1+ run at Aintree Y
- 1st Grand National N
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f Y
*Note 5th in 2019 off 11-10. 4th in 2018 off 11-8. 10-12 2021. 1 chase falls/URs.
18. Any Second Now (9/12)- Age 8-11 Y
- Weight 10st 3lbs-11st 3lbs Y
- Won chase over 24f Y
- Placed chase over 26f Y
- Won 31k Chase or Placed 51k Y
- Best RPR in last 12months run in last 3 starts over fences Y
- Best RPR in last 12 months 5lbs higher than current OR Y
- Last ran 22-49 days Y
- <2 falls over fences N
- 1+ run at Aintree N
- 1st Grand National Y
- 10+ previous Chase runs Y
- 8+ runs 24f N
*Note 2 chase falls/URs.
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Not wanting to back half the field I am inclined to eliminate the following;- Beware the Bear (10/12) - Best place 7th over 29f+. Multiple DNFs.
- Potters Corner (10/12) - Won twice 29f+. Too many falls. No form this year. Pulled up LTO. NR at Cheltenham due to inflamation.
- Ballyoptic (9/12) - 2 falls at Aintree.
- Magic of Light (7/12) - 2nd 2019. Never won chase over 24F+. Too many falls.
- Acapella Bourgeois (9/12) - Too many falls.
- Any Second Now (9/12) - Won big handicap chase at Cheltenham. Looks nicely weighted based on recent RPR. Lack of experience over 24f+. Too many falls.
- Give Me A Copper (10/12) - Looks nicely weighted based on recent RPR. 2 chase falls/URs. Pulled Up LTO. No runs in last 22-49 days.
- OK Corral (9/12) - Pulled Up LTO when jumping looked an issue. Inexperienced over 24f+.
- Canelo (10/12) - Meets a lot of trends. Looks nicely weighted based on recent RPR. Only 4 runs 24f+. No runs 29f+. Hasn't beaten much.
- Cloth Cap (11/12) - Meets trends. Well in with weights, last RPR 165, 17lbs above OR 148. *Wants good ground. 4-1
- Mister Malarky (11/12) - Meets trends. Looks nicely weighted based on recent RPR. No runs over 29f+. Never placed over 26f+. Inexperienced over 26f+ but only 8yo and beaten some decent types. 50-1
- Lord du Mesnil (11/12) - Meets a lot of trends. Looks nicely weighted based on recent RPR. All wins/places on soft/heavy ground. 3 falls/UR but none in last 11 chases. *Wants soft/heavy. 28-1
- Lake View Lad (10/12) - Meets trends. 7 runs at 24f+. Won at Aintree. 0 falls. Looks nicely weighted based on recent RPR. 33-1
- Anibale Fly (10/12) - Gets around clear. 5th in 2019 off 11-10. 4th in 2018 off 11-8. 10-12 now. No form in last 2 years. 33-1
- Bristol de Mai (10/12) - top weight though looks nicely weighted vs recent RPR, lack of experience of extreme distances. 25-1
- Kimberlite Candy (10/12) - No recent run. won over 29+ previously. 2nd twice around Aintree. *Wants soft/heavy. 14-1
- Burrows Saint (9/12) - Won over 29f+. 14-1
- Talkischeap (8/12) - 7 runs at 24f+ & 9 chase runs. Won over 29f. Beaten some decent types. 66-1
Last edited by Shergar; 23 March 2021, 07:35 PM.
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