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Hennessy Gold Cup 2012 Newbury

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  • #31
    GEEGEEZ

    3.10 HENNESSY GOLD CUP CHASE (HANDICAP) GRADE 3 (CLASS 1)

    The big one. A proper race. A race won by some real star names down the years, and some real favourites too. Double Denman delight was added to by hugely popular triumphs from Diamond Harry and Carruthers in the last five years alone, and casting the eye further back through the archives, there’s the charge of the dashing greys: Teeton Mill, One Man. And that all many years after the formative renewals gave us such illustrious alumni as Mandarin, Mill House and Arkle himself.

    Yep, this is a proper race won by proper horses. And this year, as with all years, it will be a proper test.

    There are stats aplenty, and those which I consider to be pertinent I’ve alluded to below.

    Twelve of the last fifteen winners finished in the top three last time out. Another two failed to complete. Horses who finished, but missed the podium, will find it hard to get onto my ticket.

    Diamond Edge, in 1981, was the last horse older than nine to win this. Before him, only mighty Mandarin and Rondetto could match that feat. Three double-digit aged winners since its inauguration in 1957 is a measly return, and must count against Tidal Bay, Roberto Goldback and Lion Na Bearnai, irrespective of any hope the form book proffers.

    Indeed, six- to eight-year-olds have won twenty of the last 23 runnings of the Hennessy, and that looks an eminently sensible range in which to focus.

    Yes, weight stops trains, as the hackneyed (often by me) old cliché goes. But there has been a strange trend in this race in recent years for the better horses (identified by them lugging more lead) prevailing. Eight of the last eleven winners carried at least ten stone twelve pounds, notwithstanding that the last two Hennessy Gold Cups were snaffled by lower weighted horses.

    Look more closely at that, mind, and you’ll see that when Diamond Harry carried ten stone to victory, it was because Denman – then rated 182 – was stopping all but four of the other seventeen runners from racing in the handicap proper. [Incidentally, that magnificent Denman finished third under his knee-knocking burden].

    To put that into context, if Denman was in the race this year off 182, Tidal Bay would be next in off 10-08 and all bar the top quartet in the weights would be out of the handicap. Good old Denman.

    So, I’m inclined to say that 10-12 is a reasonable cut-off from a class perspective, with no such hugely rated beast in the contest. Moreover, it’s seven years since a horse rated shy of 145 bagged this, and I’d imagine in a few days time, we’ll be saying it’s eight years since.

    Six of the last fifteen winners were making their seasonal bow, and a further eight had raced within the last month. Only one winner fell within that no man’s land of summer jumping/early season debut; and none had triumphed after more than a year off the track.

    Those then are the parameters within which my wagering cloth will be cut. And it sets the confines of punting options fairly specifically too. In essence, I’m looking for a young horse at the top of the handicap.

    If I let Hold On Julio beat me, which I will if he’s good enough, I have just Bobs Worth and First Lieutenant on my side. Their form is joined at the hip through the RSA Chase, where Bobs wrested first from First by a couple of lengths around Cheltenham’s gruelling fields of glory.

    A literal interpretation then leaves nothing between them, meaning that getting thrice the price on the Lieutenant stands out to a bargain hunter like your humble scribbler. Now it’s true that FL does have something of a frustrating habit of taking a minor medal. But he’s plenty of form on soft ground, whereas Bobs Worth has never raced on slower than good to soft.

    That is not to say, of course, that Bobs won’t go on the ground: merely that you’d be taking a chance that he will. And 4/1 doesn’t allow for too much latitude on such a score, even before we’ve considered how match fit he is and how much of an appetite for a potential season-buggering scrap connections will have.

    Some might argue that FL hasn’t won over this sort of trip, but that’s a redundant line of enquiry in my book, on the basis that he’s beaten all bar Bobs in the RSA over three and a bit miles of a tougher terrain than Newbury’s. Moreover, he’s ‘silvered’ twice more in Grade 1 company over three miles, at Down Royal last time out and at Leopardstown. Yes, this is a bit further, but I doubt it will be non-staying that does for him.

    No, First Lieutenant looks like the value call to me, seconditis or not.

    If we don’t take the First Left, then which direction might lead us to a stats-busting winner?

    Well, I’d be siding with a horse with a touch of class, which maybe has hidden its formerly lustrous light under a bushel recently. Step forward, 2010 winner, Diamond Harry.

    Harry loves, loves, loves it round here. A track record of 111311 says much and, when you consider the 3 was when trying to lower Big Buck’s’ colours (careless? Reckless? You decide), and only failing by six lengths, it’s easy to get excited by his chance.

    Even more so when you look at Harry’s boggy ground form. On going soft or softer, his form figures read 1111131. We know all about the 3 from that last para, so why oh why is our ‘Arry a 25/1 poke?!

    The answer is simple, and in two parts. Firstly, and crucially, his last three form figures are all letters, rather than numbers. Indeed, they’re all P’s, a form figure which is almost universally disliked amongst punters (and, normally, for good reason).

    Secondly, I believe this price highlights the chronic almost omnipresent recency bias in bookmakers’ odds. Now, don’t get me wrong, bookies make markets and react to punter preferences. That’s how it must be.

    But fielding against recency bias may be the last great bastion of generally available value in horse racing betting. Quite simply, Diamond Harry should be no bigger than 14/1 or thereabouts.

    Yes, he’s been poor in his last three runs, two of them in Grade 1 chases (the feature chases at Cheltenham’s and Aintree’s spring Festivals no less), and the last after seven months off the track, and all on quicker than ideal ground. And yes, before that, he was ‘only’ fifth in a Grade 2 at Cheltenham.

    But his Cheltenham record of 113P5P is not his Newbury record of 111311.

    Let me put it another way. If you were looking at his past performances page, without recourse to that stupid misleading string of digits next to the horse’s name in the paper; if you were looking at his preferences instead of his price; could you possibly make him a 25/1 shot?

    If you could, then you’ll not be backing him, and fair enough. Otherwise, shouldn’t you at least have a throwaway saver on Harry, ‘just in case’?

    There’s no doubt that he might be ‘gone at the game’, and it’s something of a binary bet, inasmuch as he’ll probably either win or pull up. But at 25/1, we can afford to be speculative where we can’t at 4/1.

    Enough of Harry, Diamond that he is. What of the rest?

    Well, in my view, The Package had a hard enough race three weeks ago and might not want it too soft; Frisco Depot is a dodgy jumper with a League One (relatively) jockey; Harry The Viking surely wants it quicker; Soll is taking a massive step up in class, but could surprise; Alfie Spinner will do extremely well to repel all from the front here; and Saint Are wouldn’t want the mud.

    One other worth a mention is Magnanimity, a horse which has cost me plenty down the years. He loves it soft, he stays and he has a feather weight. I won’t be backing him, but he has a slightly better chance than his odds imply, to my eye at least.

    Selection: First Lieutenant e/w
    Best Outsider: Diamond Harry
    Dangers: Bobs Worth, Magnanimity

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    • #32
      Bobs Worth SP starts to become interesting ..can effectively get 5/1 with Bet365 ( factoring in the free bet) if he goes over 4/1 ?

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      • #33
        Catching Pigeons called Finians right last week ...

        Tony McCoy is right when he says if Bobs Worth is to be considered a Gold Cup contender, he will need to win Saturday's Hennessy Gold Cup at Newbury.

        It's a good job therefore that that is exactly what Barry Geraghty thinks about Bobs Worth and his final piece of work at the start of the week gave the rider every confidence of a big run on his reappearance.

        What seems to have been forgotten is that we only saw the real Bobs Worth once last season - after he'd had a breathing operation at Cheltenham. He was hardly right at all for the whole campaign, hence why Henderson roughed him off for the season immediately afterwards.

        Furthermore this year's second-season chasers have already been seen to good effect this season with Al Ferof and Silviniaco Conti claiming big prizes.

        With the ground on the chase course drying out all the time, Bobs Worth will run a big race.

        Alan King's Hold On Julio must be considered a leading player, with the trainer having purposefully kept something in reserve to work on since his recent reappearance. He is a thorough stayer and his recent work has been as good as ever.
        FWIW I dont think he has to win to prove his gold cup credentials. This isnt Cheltenham and there could be a handicap rick in here somewhere.

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        • #34
          Pricewise on the Package again ( and Frisco Depot)

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          • #35
            This puts me off FL ... Quote from Mouse. Last bit in particular

            "It depends on the ground, and the top ones staying in," Morris said. "He was disappointing the first day, but ran a good race at Down Royal. We just put the cheekpieces on to help the pilot, because he hadn't jumped so well at Gowran. I think the track beat him, more than anything – a lot of it is downhill, and he needs a stiff track. But he's a spring horse really."

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            • #36
              New jockey for The Package ... Timmy Murphy out for 6 weeks with damaged vertebrae.
              Last edited by Old Vic; 1 December 2012, 06:57 AM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hoof View Post
                New jockey for The Package ... Timmy Murphy out for 6 weeks with damaged vertebrae.
                Unlucky ...get well soon Timmy ..been riding at top of his game this year. A joy to watch when he is on form.

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                • #38
                  Hadnt noticed AP had never won it ...

                  The Hennessy Cognac Gold Cup is still on my 'things to do before I retire’ list. More often than not lately I have been at Newcastle to ride in the Fighting Fifth and my hopes of a first Hennessy rose when I was asked to ride the Cheltenham winner Teaforthree (3.10).
                  But as soon as I rode on the course in Thursday, those hopes faded a bit because the ground is not nearly as testing as we all imagined it would be. In a vintage Hennessy I would not give him much chance, but Saturday's race is very open and even on better ground he has an each-way chance. Apart from Bobs Worth, who is the only potential Gold Cup horse in the race, it does not appear there is anything there flying wildly under the radar.

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                  • #39
                    The Donn on Davy's Dilemma

                    You don’t have to feel sorry for Davy Russell, but at least you can understand his plight.

                    Russell now has one of those top jobs in National Hunt that his talent merits, but riding as first rider for Michael O’Leary’s Gigginstown House Stud brings with it its own difficulties. It isn’t the Styrofoam cups or the fanfare when he gets to the races on time, and it isn’t that he has to phone his boss if he is thinking about doing lighter than 10st 8lb (that one’s real). It’s the depth of talent at his disposal and the choices that he has to make as a result. A plethora of top class horses, just one pair of hands.

                    You don’t want to be going around feeling sorry for the man who is – all things being equal – going to ride Sir Des Champs and Don Cossack and Dedigout and their ilk just about every time they run this season, but with great options comes great head-scratching (or something).

                    Take tomorrow, for example. First Lieutenant and Magnanimity run in the Hennessy at Newbury, Trifolium goes to Newcastle – frost permitting – to run in the Fighting Fifth Hurdle, and Gigginstown have myriad runners at Fairyhouse. Far Away So Close in the two-mile handicap chase, Midnight Game in the Fairyhouse on Facebook Hurdle, Panther Claw in the beginners’ chase, Bright New Dawn in the maiden hurdle, Bog Warrior in the handicap hurdle.

                    What would you do? It’s not every weekend, or even every year, that you get the chance to ride a fancied horse in the Hennessy, or in a Grade 1 race at Newcastle, a four-runner Grade 1 race, that is, in which your horse has a big chance. Maybe the frost influenced Davy’s decision. You’d feel good and clever if you were sitting in the weigh room at a frost-enveloped Newcastle with other lads riding your horses at Newbury and Fairyhouse.

                    Something like that happened to Barry Geraghty a few years ago. I think he went to Newcastle to ride Punjabi – he couldn’t have got off Punjabi – in the Fighting Fifth, only for the meeting to be abandoned and for AP McCoy to go to Newbury and ride a four-timer for Nicky Henderson. At least Punjabi went to Wetherby the following week and won the re-scheduled Fighting Fifth with Geraghty on board. Everyone happy.

                    Even if Newcastle was third choice (Andrew Lynch rides Trifolium), it can’t have been easy for Russell to choose between Newbury and Fairyhouse. First Lieutenant’s chance of winning the Hennessy increases with ever drop of moisture that comes out of the ground. Strange, considering that on Tuesday we were thinking heavy ground Hennessy, it may not be any worse than good to soft tomorrow, and that type of ground on a left-handed track could be just what First Lieutenant wants.

                    The other Gigginstown Hennessy representative, Magnanimity, also has a big chance, and he may represent the better value of the pair at current respective prices. A top class staying novice chaser two seasons ago, the Dessie Hughes-trained gelding was a little out of sorts last season, but so were a lot of the Hughes horses.

                    Different story this term so far: the Hughes horses are flying, and Magnanimity himself has shaped encouragingly in both of his runs, staying on for pressure to finish an albeit remote second behind Sizing Europe over a wholly inadequate two and a half miles at Clonmel on his most recent run.

                    For a horse who looked like a potentially high-class staying chaser, a mark of 143 looks potentially very lenient indeed. Take off the 5lb that Mark Enright is allowed – and Enright is good value for his claim, as he proved on Casey Top in the Paddy Power Gold Cup – then he begins to look like one of the more attractively-weighted horses in the race.

                    First Lieutenant will be ridden by Bryan Cooper, one of the young potential stars of the Irish weigh room. Strange that Cooper generally rides for Magnanimity’s trainer Dessie Hughes, but he has obviously forged a relationship with Gigginstown as well, primarily through his alliance with Hughes, and he rode First Lieutenant in the JNwine.com Chase at Down Royal when Davy chose to ride Quito De La Roque instead.

                    Interesting day ahead for Gigginstown House Stud.

                    · For more of Donn’s thoughts, visit www.donnmcclean.com.

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                    • #40
                      Tanya's pointers:

                      Hennessy Gold Cup:

                      Only three winners since 1992 were aged nine or over

                      Only three winners since first run in 1957 were aged 10 or over

                      Nine of the last 14 winners had come from the first three in the betting

                      Seventeen of the last 20 winners had won three or more races prior

                      Ten of the last 14 winners had had no more than seven races, seven of those ten winners had won at least three of those races

                      The horses to carry top weight to victory in recent years are Burrough Hill Lad in 1984, Trabolgan in 2005 and Denman 2007 & 2009

                      Fourteen of the last fifteen winners had had no more than one race prior to winning the Hennessy

                      Diamond Harry has won five of his six races at Newbury

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Rhinestone Cowboy View Post
                        Bobs Worth SP starts to become interesting ..can effectively get 5/1 with Bet365 ( factoring in the free bet) if he goes over 4/1 ?
                        They are taking the mick everyone else in village is at least 4/1 and they are 7/2. 4/1 offer my hole.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Sizing View Post
                          They are taking the mick everyone else in village is at least 4/1 and they are 7/2. 4/1 offer my hole.
                          4/1 now

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                          • #43
                            Paddy Power have gone 5/1 Bobs Worth and 5 places ..cant see them holding that

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                            • #44
                              9/2 now another in Bobs camp now


                              DON’T expect Bobs Worth to be endorsing any L’Oreal products at Newbury today, but he’ll look a damn sight better than wor Cheryl if he can capture the Hennessy on his seasonal bow.

                              Nicky Henderson’s seven-year-old has gone from strength to strength since finishing second to stablemate Prince Of Pirates on his bumper debut at Kempton in February, 2010.

                              The son of Bob Back racked up a treble over hurdles, including a two length defeat of Rock On Ruby, before outstaying stablemate Mossley to land the Albert Bartlett at the Festival.

                              Making his chasing debut at Newbury last November, he responded bravely to Barry Geraghty’s every call to reel in Cue Card in the dying strides over an inadequate trip of 2m4f.

                              He lost little in defeat to Grand Crus in the Feltham at Kempton last Boxing Day, beaten just over five lengths in third, with Silviniaco Conti three lengths ahead of him in second. Although he had won twice round Kempton, the considered opinion seems to be that Bobs Worth is better going left-handed.

                              That argument seemed vindicated when he lost out by three lengths to Alan King’s smart Invictus in the Reynoldstown at Ascot.

                              Unbeaten in three starts round Cheltenham, Bobs Worth (3.10) returned to his favourite gaff to put up a tremendous staying performance in the RSA.

                              Taking it up four out, he had a real set to with First Lieutenant over the last three fences before asserting at the last and staying on in gutsy fashion up the hill to win by two and a half lengths.

                              I believe Bobs Worth has the class to emulate Trabolgan, who completed the RSA/Hennessy double for Seven Barrows and plant himself right in the mix for the Gold Cup in March.

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                              • #45
                                Chris Wright

                                SO FAR Nicky Henderson has had to watch his rival for the trainers’ championship Paul Nicholls mop up the early-season Saturday contests.

                                But the Seven Barrows handler could land his own big Saturday pot today with Bobs Worth a worthy favourite for the Hennessy Gold Cup (3.10pm) at Newbury.

                                Over the past few weeks last year’s champion Nicholls has won the Charlie Hall Chase and the Betfair Chase at Haydock with the progressive Silviniaco Conti, beating Henderson’s Long Run on Merseyside in the process. He also took the Paddy Power Gold Cup at Cheltenham with Al Ferof and has hit the ground running in the big staying chases.

                                With the ground a concern many of Henderson’s big guns are yet to strike, with Queen Mother Champion Chaser Finian’s Rainbow floundering in the mud at Ascot last week.


                                Star hurdler Oscar Whisky did score on his return at Ascot last Saturday and Henderson is starting to get a few more winners.

                                The Upper Lambourn trainer has not won the Hennessy since Trabolgan landed the 3m2f Grade Three handicap in 2005. But Bobs Worth has plenty of similarities with that former Seven Barrows’ inmate.

                                He too is a second season chaser, who landed his biggest success to date when beating First Lieutenant by two and a half lengths in the RSA Chase at the Cheltenham Festival in March.

                                That was an impressive victory and judged on that he is the one they all have to beat this afternoon.

                                The soft ground is the only real unknown although hopefully Bobs Worth won’t be too inconvenienced by it. He jumps well and stays well and big-race jockey Barry Geraghty is hopeful he can triumph, even though his only three defeats have been on right-handed courses. He said: “Although the Hennessy will be a tough race, I believe he has a great chance. He stays well and that trip should be ideal, as will the course.”

                                The Hennessy is a race which can provide pointers for the Gold Cup and the John Smith’s Grand National. Several who run well without winning can go on to do well at Aintree, so the likes of Henderson’s other runner Roberto Goldback, Irish National hero Lion Na Bearnai and course and distance winner Ikorodu Road could go well without necessarily winning.

                                Irish raider First Lieutenant should be closest to rival Bobs Worth again and Mouse Morris’ seven-year-old should be in shake-up, while Philip Hobbs’ Duke Of Lucca could go well at a big price. But it is Bobs Worth who makes most appeal.

                                Up at Newcastle the Fighting Fifth Hurdle has just four runners but Donald McCain’s Cinders And Ashes can make a winning return on the road that is likely to lead back to Cheltenham.

                                The five-year-old is a real contender for Champion Hurdle glory in March.

                                He was an impressive winner of the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle (2.20pm) at last season’s Festival and is highly regarded by McCain, who has seen Peddlers Cross and Overturn both finish second in the Champion for the last two seasons having landed the Fighting Fifth.

                                Cinders And Ashes can made it a hat-trick today and may go one better at Cheltenham.

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