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King George 2021

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  • #91
    I've been looking over this race including watching a few replays of previous runs. Similar to Opatcho I think that grade one form, form over 3mile+ and course form are key factors here. This singles out three horses: Clan des Obeaux, Frodon and Lostintranslation, except LiT has been pulled up in the race twice = once may be due to the Tizzard out of form year but the other?

    Watching some of these races I noticed that CDO's jumping can be pretty sketchy (being kind) - this seemed to be why he was out the back for much of last year's race. He jumped well at Aintree last spring but even Punchestown LTO was iffy at times. CDO wins these races despite his jumping because he stays on well in the closing stages He gave the first fence an almighty belt in the 2018 Betfair (4th there before winning his first KG).You had virtually the same runners in those two 2018 races - finishing in a totally different order- so much for form! CDO didn't beat much in 2019 when Cyrname proved to be a non stayer as Frodon did for 3m1f+ in the 2020 Gold Cup.

    There doesn't seem to be a problem with staying for 3m at Kempton for Frodon. He jumps well with occasional differences of opinion between horse and jockey about going short or long. A horse that tends to be underrated and overpriced imo - because of the jockey or coming up through handicaps? His poor run at Aintree last autumn can be put down to the missing fences. Native River being beaten by Lake View Lad indicates a freak result.

    So of the two Nicholls fancied horses I prefer the higher priced Frodon as being the better jumper and has a season run. Saint Calvados seemed to be a non stayer last year - never won over 3m or longer.

    But established stars do get beat eventually and 7-8 is the best age range. It's odd to call Minella Indo up and coming but MI has only 4 chase wins from 9 runs and has never run at Kempton. Clearly the Gold Cup win is the best form here. MI has never run on good ground but handles GS well. He looks a better jumper than Clan Des Obeaux except for making a snall number of unexpected bad errors - falling in the Savills when under no real pressure and belting the 2nd last in the Irish GC - again seeming to have a clear view of the fence.

    I don't understand the fuss about Asterion Forlonge - never run over 3m, never won a Grade 1 chase and an iffy jumper - the hype seems to be based on who the trainer is.

    On the other hand Chantry House makes more appeal as a newcomer with excellent Grade One form over the distance at Aintree (no run at Kempton though) and so far has jumped solidly in his chases. Lack of experience at this level is a negative but if not this year then maybe next year.

    I think Mister Fisher is better than his price but there are doubts about staying the trip and jumping. Has the ability to win a grade one imo

    Tornado Flyer could well benefit from the step up in trip running on well in the Ryanair but will be be outpaced at the back and left with too much to do in the short straight: like Waiting Patiently last year?

    So I see this being fought out by Frodon and Minella Indo with Lostintranslation as the best e/w value.
    Selection: Frodon.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Supermaster View Post
      I don't understand the fuss about Asterion Forlonge - never run over 3m, never won a Grade 1 chase and an iffy jumper - the hype seems to be based on who the trainer is.
      I'm going to be bold here, I think Asterion Forlonge will travel well but find nothing absolutely off the bridle. I know there are a few sitting on decent 20/1+ AP bets on him, so fair play there but I cant see it happening. For a horse that has a few F's next to his name aswell, it go around a place like Kempton. Not for me


      Originally posted by Supermaster View Post
      So I see this being fought out by Frodon and Minella Indo with Lostintranslation as the best e/w value.
      Selection: Frodon.
      I'm keeping a close eye on this rain. It goes from 10mm of rain to as much as 25mm.
      If there was no rain I'd be all over Frodon. If soft dominates the going then I can see Minella winning this. Henry has become the number of trainer in the 3 mile division. Wasn't fair off Frodon on his season re-appearance where Frodon had it easy up front, I'd take Ruby's word about how round MI looked. The going will be critical for MI, the more rain the better his chance


      Not keen on Chantry House for this but will be keeping an eye on how he finishing. Expecting him to come off the bridle but stay on into 4th or 3rd. One to watch to confirm his Gold Cup chances

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      • #93
        hmmmmmm just saw the card, and Minella Indo wears cheekpieces

        Not sure whether this move is a positive or negative.

        I'm in too minds now...

        Positive - Henry wants to give him a little spark to get him going early on, and this is just a added small piece just to help him along

        Negative - Henry knows MI needs to go forward, and is worried. If he knew MI had the pace then surely he wouldnt try pieces on him.

        Personally, I dont like seeing heargear like cheekpieces and visors going onto Grade 1 horses. Do you make an exception for MI as it's not like he's on the downward and this is a desperate attempt to spark him up to perform.

        I think I have been trying to fit MI into this race, when I've been saying it all along, back horses that will love the track or have proven form there

        Good to soft in the description, no worse. Frodon wins

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Lobos View Post
          Minella Indo wearing cheek pieces for the first time. Odd decision that. What's he done wrong without them ??
          Very odd! Had a few beers so will need to decide whether I like this or not once I've sobered up... around 3rd Jan lol

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          • #95
            I’d maybe reconsider Minella Indo’s going preference being soft Opatcho.
            Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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            • #96
              Anyone have a solid idea on Saint Calvados’ prep this year?

              He had a disrupted one last season didn’t he? Just thinking how well he ran and that he can be very good fresh and on soft - I quite fancy him to run a mighty race BUT don’t know how much about how Paul Nichols has had a clean run with him.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Al Ferof View Post
                Anyone have a solid idea on Saint Calvados’ prep this year?

                He had a disrupted one last season didn’t he? Just thinking how well he ran and that he can be very good fresh and on soft - I quite fancy him to run a mighty race BUT don’t know how much about how Paul Nichols has had a clean run with him.
                Was originally being targeted for Ascot in November I understand, but didn't get there as he came in a bit later than the others after the obligatory wind op.

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                • #98
                  Will probably come back to bite me but just can't see what others see in Chantry House for this

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                  • #99
                    Chantry House into favourite this morning. Some move.

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                    • Originally posted by Bonjers View Post
                      Chantry House into favourite this morning. Some move.
                      Wowsers. Didn't see that coming at all ! Not for me though. Still think Asterion will go off close to favourite.
                      Last edited by Lobos; 26 December 2021, 08:52 AM.

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                      • Any shrewd judges tip CH up? Like others didn't see him going fav.

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                        • The cheek pieces are putting me off Minella indo and like others I'm shocked by the money for chantry house.

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                          • Frodon out to 7s... might have a bit of that.

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                            • Originally posted by Big Bucks View Post
                              Any shrewd judges tip CH up? Like others didn't see him going fav.
                              Nah. Just the owners money I'd say............and he's got plenty!

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                              • Originally posted by Big Bucks View Post
                                Any shrewd judges tip CH up? Like others didn't see him going fav.
                                All I've seen is Paul Kealy slag him off on In the Know, don't know anyone who's tipped it

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