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  • #31
    The one for Royal Ascot that I’m most interested in is

    Passenger (Prince of Wales)

    Already close to good enough to win the race (3.5lb off the Average race winning RPRs in the last decade) on his 4yo seasonal debut at Chester.

    That was a lifetime best by 8lbs from his curtailed 3yo career of 4 lifetime starts, including an “unfortunate” close 3rd in the Dante on his 2nd run, unplaced in the Derby and a final run in a Windsor Group 3 race win, beating a horse who went on to lose by a head, in the Group 1 Caulfield Cup (2 months later) - to the eventual Melbourne Cup winner.

    So an unfulfilled potential season, for Passenger, like his sire Ulysses, who incidentally

    * also ran unplaced in the Derby,
    * and was 2nd in that Windsor Group 3 race,
    * for the same trainer, Sir Michael Stoute,
    * before blossoming as a 4yo,

    into a horse that

    * won his prep for the Prince of Wales,
    * before coming 3rd in it,
    * winning the Eclipse and Juddmonte International at the trip, and
    * placed in the King George and Arc, at his two goes at 1M4F

    in a wonderfully consistent run through the whole season.

    Im hoping that Passenger can have such a sparking season as his sire, and his 4yo debut already has a higher lifetime RPR than his sire started out with in the POW, so he’s ahead of the curve a.t.m.


    The other one Ive had an interest in, but is probably less likely to make the start, unless he won well under a penalty at York on Friday is

    Tower of London (Ascot Gold Cup)

    Another 4yo improving already from a decent 3yo career, by winning highly valuable and competitive Grade 3 and Grade 2 races, and banking gbp 1.6M along the way.

    In my opinion AOB has had a nightmare start to Group 1 races and classics this season, and the plan to go one-handed into Newmarkets 1000 and 2000 Guineas, and to not prep horses before it, proved to be an unwise one.

    Hes spoken since of potentially going with TOL and Kyprios to the Ascot Gold Cup, which makes much more sense to me if they both win this week.

    Kyprios had a star 4yo stayers season, but when winning the Ascot Gold Cup it wasn’t by much, (1/2L from Mojo Star, with Burning Victory only 1L back in 4th).

    He earned his big figure at the end of that season on very Soft Ground on Arc Day, which was much bigger than he’s done elsewhere, before or since, so he could be underpriced, and may be vulnerable to a younger upcoming horse.

    Thats why a win at York under a penalty, should mean, all things being equal, TOL becomes a live chance

    That York race he’s giving 3lbs to Vauban, Gregory, Hamish, Al Qareem and Giovelotto, and if he could do that then it would, in my view, match or most likely beat, what Kyprios did in his Ascot Gold Cup win 2 years ago, with his 120 RPR that day - when he was an improving 4yo.





    Last edited by Saxon Warrior; 15 May 2024, 05:00 PM.
    "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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    • #32
      With King Of Steel out with injury Passenger has dropped in odds as expected

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      • #33
        Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
        With King Of Steel out with injury Passenger has dropped in odds as expected
        I got lucky with that one then having already backed passenger not got on king of steel yet

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post
          The one for Royal Ascot that I’m most interested in is

          Passenger (Prince of Wales)

          Already close to good enough to win the race (3.5lb off the Average race winning RPRs in the last decade) on his 4yo seasonal debut at Chester.

          That was a lifetime best by 8lbs from his curtailed 3yo career of 4 lifetime starts, including an “unfortunate” close 3rd in the Dante on his 2nd run, unplaced in the Derby and a final run in a Windsor Group 3 race win, beating a horse who went on to lose by a head, in the Group 1 Caulfield Cup (2 months later) - to the eventual Melbourne Cup winner.

          So an unfulfilled potential season, for Passenger, like his sire Ulysses, who incidentally

          * also ran unplaced in the Derby,
          * and was 2nd in that Windsor Group 3 race,
          * for the same trainer, Sir Michael Stoute,
          * before blossoming as a 4yo,

          into a horse that

          * won his prep for the Prince of Wales,
          * before coming 3rd in it,
          * winning the Eclipse and Juddmonte International at the trip, and
          * placed in the King George and Arc, at his two goes at 1M4F

          in a wonderfully consistent run through the whole season.

          Im hoping that Passenger can have such a sparking season as his sire, and his 4yo debut already has a higher lifetime RPR than his sire started out with in the POW, so he’s ahead of the curve a.t.m.


          The other one Ive had an interest in, but is probably less likely to make the start, unless he won well under a penalty at York on Friday is

          Tower of London (Ascot Gold Cup)

          Another 4yo improving already from a decent 3yo career, by winning highly valuable and competitive Grade 3 and Grade 2 races, and banking gbp 1.6M along the way.

          In my opinion AOB has had a nightmare start to Group 1 races and classics this season, and the plan to go one-handed into Newmarkets 1000 and 2000 Guineas, and to not prep horses before it, proved to be an unwise one.

          Hes spoken since of potentially going with TOL and Kyprios to the Ascot Gold Cup, which makes much more sense to me if they both win this week.

          Kyprios had a star 4yo stating season, but when winning the Ascot Gold Cup it wasn’t by much, (1/2L from Mojo Star, with Burning Victory only 1L back in 4th).

          He earned his big figure at the end of that season on very Soft Ground on Arc Day, which was much bigger than he’s done elsewhere, before or since, so he could be underpriced, and may be vulnerable to a younger upcoming horse.

          Thats why a win at York under a penalty, should mean, all things being equal, TOL becomes a live chance

          That York race he’s giving 3lbs to Vauban, Gregory, Hamish, Al Qareem and Giovelotto, and if he could do that then it would, in my view, match or most likely beat, what Kyprios did in his Ascot Gold Cup win 2 years ago, with his 120 RPR that day - when he was an improving 4yo.





          I agree that tower of london has the perfect profile

          It'd be a mistake not to run him imo

          Kyprios is good but we still don't know if he's as good after the setback last season

          Losing to eldar eldarov and trawlerman suggests perhaps not and we learnt nothing on his reappearance

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          • #35
            Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
            With King Of Steel out with injury Passenger has dropped in odds as expected
            Gutting that I wrote earlier that Passenger was my main Royal Ascot bet - at that point 13/2 was accessible in the market.

            Then within an hour or so, one of his main rivals misses the meeting, and Passenger halved in price.

            I thought he would win with King of Steel in opposition, so not much gained, for a heavy price reduction.

            Maybe if the field is strong enough in opposition, as the day approaches, then the price will look better again, if it doesn’t change further.
            "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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            • #36
              Kyprios now a best 11/8 for beating the same donkeys at 1/12

              He looks awfully short to me

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              • #37
                Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
                Kyprios now a best 11/8 for beating the same donkeys at 1/12

                He looks awfully short to me
                He’s priced about right for me… don’t really see what beats him?

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                • #38
                  See Mountain Breeze is back out tomorrow under a penalty FF… form of her makden is working out with the 3rd winning and the 4th running well today in a deep race… win tomorrow in similar style and 9/4 will probably look good

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Morley Street View Post

                    He’s priced about right for me… don’t really see what beats him?
                    Himself mainly, he has his kinks and they will likely only get worse with age

                    At 11/8 he'd have to be a banker

                    And his form last season and this doesn't entitle him to that

                    I'd be more than prepared to let him win at that price

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Morley Street View Post
                      See Mountain Breeze is back out tomorrow under a penalty FF… form of her makden is working out with the 3rd winning and the 4th running well today in a deep race… win tomorrow in similar style and 9/4 will probably look good
                      She looked very much above average didn't she

                      I just don't like taking short prices in 2yo races, they are a lottery until we get to the mid/tail end of the season

                      I do enjoy tracking them though and trying to find your prix morny, national stakes, dewhurst, lagadere winners etc

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Morley Street View Post
                        See Mountain Breeze is back out tomorrow under a penalty FF… form of her makden is working out with the 3rd winning and the 4th running well today in a deep race… win tomorrow in similar style and 9/4 will probably look good
                        6f today. What would be the Ascot target?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Morley Street View Post

                          He’s priced about right for me… don’t really see what beats him?
                          If AOB is still in the doldrums, well doldrums for his high standards, in 4 weeks time, he could be higher that 11/8.

                          OK, expect AOB to start really firing on all cylinders by then but the yard isn't firing at all yet.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post

                            6f today. What would be the Ascot target?
                            Albany is the target

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
                              With King Of Steel out with injury Passenger has dropped in odds as expected
                              Upon being injured, if you believe Icy on twitter he's apparently been moved to Dominic ffrench Davis from varian

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Zachx02 View Post

                                Upon being injured, if you believe Icy on twitter he's apparently been moved to Dominic ffrench Davis from varian
                                These amo racing people seem like a bunch of idiots to me

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