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I can't believe I let the cup double thing put me off the winner. I blame you lot 
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They went extremely fast don't think he stayed the tripOriginally posted by Faugheen_Machine
I was surprised how weak he was on the exchanges in the last few minutes before the race. He was well beaten and no excuses that I could see. What an anticlimax!
You'd need to have been a 2m4f/3m jumps horse to be staying that strongly run a 2m flat race
He did go backwards very quickly though so maybe something will come out in the next few days that he went lame or picked up a niggleComment
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Oh dear........
Anyone want to buy a cheap wheelbarrow???
I hate the flat.Comment
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Not to be folks, but it was a fun ride. Looking forward to the next fun FJ punt
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Not to be unfortunately.Originally posted by Lobos View Post
It wasn't a terrible run and cant blame Ryan, but he was so flat after turning in - Willie sounded surprised.
The market on the flat usually tells a story and I knew before the off we were in trouble as he drifted like a barge and the money came for his stablemate who beat him.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if an issue comes to light, or maybe he's just not good enough, thats racing. At least we can get stuck into the proper stuff now.
How much for the wheelbarrow?
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Well, I'm not sure what to say. It was most definitely a massive anti-climax.
I see the quote from Willie afterwards trying to find the right excuse for the run, even mentioning Ryan potentially lighting him up to get a position, which, personally, I think is clutching as I think he needed a position. If he hadn't got the position he had every man and his dog would have been rightly moaning about Ryan for not having him in the correct position.
For me personally, it wasn't so much the loss on Vauban that hurt but the amount of roll ups that looked very good prior to that defeat. Constitution Hill being the big one as a potential 140pt return, but hey ho, take the losses and move on.
I've had more luck rolling up class 6 horses on the flat this season than the graded stuff
Note to self: Stick to what I know.....unless Saxon has a bet on the American stuff
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Just picked up the grandkids.......on the way I was directly behind a car with the Reg plate.....
V4BAN
Talk about rubbing it in!!!Comment
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Aye, can't be blaming Moore. They decided they wanted to try to lead regardless of the draw!Comment
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Maybe he doesn't quite get 2 miles at flat racing pace although Willie seemed to think he was beaten too far out to be sure. Commiserations to all those who had double figure prices. The only satisfaction that I got from the race was that, as predicted, Vauban's price did indeed drift approaching post time.Comment
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Rich Ricci saying Vauban will hopefully have another crack next season. Won't be going back over hurdles, but then again.....Gold Cup or nothing
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The pace of the race gave him no chance really
Those horses went off like the clappers and he was too near that pace
Moore had no choice but to be reasonably prominent from stall 3
That pace was always going to collapseComment
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The winner was in stall 2 and was 10 lengths behind Vauban for most of the race so 'no choice' doesn't hack it for me.Comment
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Sorry, you're correct. I was thinking of Gold Trip in 2 who was pretty close to the winner for most of the race. Soulcombe in 4, who missed the break completely, was another who didn't suffer from being off the pace even if it wasn't by choice.Originally posted by DenmanSacre View PostComment
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As you note, Soulcombe was in 4 but missed the break, so had no choice to race how he did, other than that the top 5 drawn, 1, 2, 3 & 5, two of which, were fancied runners in Gold Trip and Vauban, the highest next finishing position was 10th.Originally posted by archie View Post
It's going to be all ifs, buts and maybes but say he had held him up and the pace hadn't collapsed, or worse still he found trouble in running, that would have been a lot worse, IMO, than how he did ride him. He rode him prominent at Ascot and scooted clear by some 7 lengths, albeit over 2f shorter, but it's not as if he didn't know the horse.
No idea what the end excuse will be, but I think you mentioned it previously that potentially he just didn't stay the trip over, what looked like, a fairly quickly run 2m. I would side with this reason too.
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