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2023 Antepost Flat Racing

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  • Looks like Via Sistina is doubtful to run in the Falmouth. Quite like the look of Remarquee at 5/1.

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    • Probably got a 30p in the ?1 rule 4 if Via Sistina doesn't run because there's not been enough rain. Or a loser if there is enough rain for Via Sistina to run. You could be better waiting?

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      • Rain is forecast for Newmarket from 11am on Friday

        If they are going to pull her out they should leave it as late as possible as it looks a guilt edge opportunity for her to win over a mile in a group 1

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        • Top two in the market could be anything like but... Found it interesting that it looks as if Dobbs has picked Son ahead of (Coventry 5th) Haatem in the Superlative, but the market still has them clearly the other way. Hannon also seems to rate him highly and the family have a good history with this race. Going to have a very small speculative punt at a big price.

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          • Paddington may go for the Cox Plate at the end of October. Owners to discuss it in the next few days. Could mean him going for the Juddmonte as winner of that one automatically gets invite. He'd be a strong fav for Cox Plate surely. I reckon Sax may be interested in a price for that !!
            Last edited by Lobos; 19 July 2023, 04:18 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
              Paddington may go for the Cox Plate at the end of October. Owners to discuss it in the next few days. Could mean him going for the Juddmonte as winner of that one automatically gets invite. He'd be a strong fav for Cox Plate surely. I reckon Sax may be interested in a price for that !!
              Chances are he'd go up against romantic warrior, wouldnt be a betting race for me

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              • Really looking forward to see Arabian Knight back tonight in the haskell, probably going to play the SP Fav and BC Classic double

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                • Savethelastdance looked a brutal heavy ground Arc candidate to me yesterday. She looked like a stayer also mind so the Leger is an option I'd have thought.

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                  • Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post
                    Savethelastdance looked a brutal heavy ground Arc candidate to me yesterday. She looked like a stayer also mind so the Leger is an option I'd have thought.
                    She looks a boat

                    Can't see her having the class for the Arc

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                    • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                      She looks a boat

                      Can't see her having the class for the Arc
                      I was very specific about it being a heavy ground (and brutal) Arc. Wouldn't be the first winner of the Arc in those conditions that would seem to lack the class you'd like to see. And there's every chance we get those conditions again in October.

                      I'm thinking of my heartbreak with Orfevre and Tarnawa. Who were undoubtedly the class in their respective 2nds.

                      See what happens in the KG next weekend but if Auguste doesn't win it then she'll likely be AOB's best chance as well. And she's not exactly short at the moment. And rightly so, given her form is pretty crap.
                      Last edited by Benjy23; 23 July 2023, 12:20 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post

                        I was very specific about it being a heavy ground (and brutal) Arc. Wouldn't be the first winner of the Arc in those conditions that would seem to lack the class you'd like to see. And there's every chance we get those conditions again in October.

                        I'm thinking of my heartbreak with Orfevre and Tarnawa. Who were undoubtedly the class in their respective 2nds.

                        See what happens in the KG next weekend but if Auguste doesn't win it then she'll likely be AOB's best chance as well. And she's not exactly short at the moment. And rightly so, given her form is pretty crap.
                        My opinion atm is very much that this crop of 3yo fillies are all someway short of group 1 standard

                        I think the likes of auguste rodin, king of steel and ace impact are a good way ahead of the fillies

                        The oaks form has fallen well short with waipiro easily beating caernarfon and soul sister being beaten on the bridle by feed the flame

                        The soft ground stayer iv had a few pennies on for the Arct is hukum using the hills double odds boost

                        The real interesting ones are king of steel and ace impact

                        King of steel is a huge beast open to serious improvement

                        But i dont think we will see the best of him until next season or the season after, he fills his frame and continues to progress he could turn into a 130+ horse

                        Auguste rodin has a beautifil low action and is by deep impact so id much rather back him for the breeders cup than the arc
                        Last edited by FinalFurlong91; 23 July 2023, 02:48 PM.

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                        • Fair play. I'm quite keen on the chances of Pyledriver upsetting the 3yos and others in the King George to be honest. Which could show them all to be a bit of an average bunch!

                          Don't fancy any ahead of her in the Arc much to be honest. Although Ace Impact did make a huge visual impression lto and would be the type I'd like to see win an arc. But they didn't seem certain about the Arc to me. And the heavy ground staying test isn't sure to suit him either.

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                          • Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post
                            Fair play. I'm quite keen on the chances of Pyledriver upsetting the 3yos and others in the King George to be honest. Which could show them all to be a bit of an average bunch!

                            Don't fancy any ahead of her in the Arc much to be honest. Although Ace Impact did make a huge visual impression lto and would be the type I'd like to see win an arc. But they didn't seem certain about the Arc to me. And the heavy ground staying test isn't sure to suit him either.
                            Ace Impact is being trained for one race… a 50% share of him has been purchased by a French Stud with a view to his stallion career however a condition of the sale was for him to run in the original owners colours in the Arc. Being a son of Cracksman I wouldn’t worry about soft / heavy ground for him and he has already won on heavy. For me he sets the clear standard.

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                            • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                              My opinion atm is very much that this crop of 3yo fillies are all someway short of group 1 standard

                              I think the likes of auguste rodin, king of steel and ace impact are a good way ahead of the fillies

                              The oaks form has fallen well short with waipiro easily beating caernarfon and soul sister being beaten on the bridle by feed the flame

                              The soft ground stayer iv had a few pennies on for the Arct is hukum using the hills double odds boost

                              The real interesting ones are king of steel and ace impact

                              King of steel is a huge beast open to serious improvement

                              But i dont think we will see the best of him until next season or the season after, he fills his frame and continues to progress he could turn into a 130+ horse

                              Auguste rodin has a beautifil low action and is by deep impact so id much rather back him for the breeders cup than the arc
                              Agree with you on the 3yo fillies and Savethelastdance. She won't be fast enough for the Arc, even if it is heavy ground. Luxembourg ran well enough last year on very soft ground when he was injured and had didn't get the best of runs and will be Aiden's main Arc horse if AR doesn't make it imo.

                              Somehow I've ended up trying to do a book on the Arc with Ace Impact being my biggest winner. The King George this weekend is an absolutely cracking race and all the main Arc horses are running bar the French. Just wish it was a few weeks so I could get more free bets on!

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                              • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                                My opinion atm is very much that this crop of 3yo fillies are all someway short of group 1 standard

                                I think the likes of auguste rodin, king of steel and ace impact are a good way ahead of the fillies

                                The oaks form has fallen well short with waipiro easily beating caernarfon and soul sister being beaten on the bridle by feed the flame

                                The soft ground stayer iv had a few pennies on for the Arct is hukum using the hills double odds boost

                                The real interesting ones are king of steel and ace impact

                                King of steel is a huge beast open to serious improvement

                                But i dont think we will see the best of him until next season or the season after, he fills his frame and continues to progress he could turn into a 130+ horse

                                Auguste rodin has a beautifil low action and is by deep impact so id much rather back him for the breeders cup than the arc
                                The Irish and GB 3yo midtrip fillies look very average, plus none have come through from the mile division at all, to enhance the Oaks and the other midtrip races.

                                Id say Blue Rose Cen would be the best 3yo filly in Europe by some way.

                                How she’d go vs the Older Mares and the boys, is yet to be seen, but I’d not be quick to underestimate her chances in any races.
                                "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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