2022 Flat Racing Antepost thread

[Benjy23]

The most boring of all the plans...

[FinalFurlong91]

Hopefully they are getting giddy like aidan did with little big bear naming the Nunthorpe

And after a few days thinking about it stick to the original plan of going to Ascot

[Benjy23]

Haggas told the Racing Post: "Everything is possible at the moment, even the Arc. I have to talk to Sheikha Hissa, but we're going to enjoy the moment and don't need to make any decisions yet.

"There are three options. It's either Champion Stakes only, the Irish Champion and then the Champion Stakes, or the Arc de Triomphe.

"If Sheikha Hissa wants him to have two races, the middle option would be the one. If Sheikha Hissa is happy to go the Champion only, then that would be the route. If she would like to go for the Arc, that would be the one and the rest would not be in the equation.

"It's just a case of how much I let him off. I would let him off a bit if we were going straight to the Champion Stakes, but if we were going elsewhere I don't need to let him off too much."

[ComplyOrDie]

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That'll be the vadeni bet down the swanny if so

On Nick Lucks podcast. He said 2 months is a long time to wait (for the Champion Stakes at Ascot).

[FinalFurlong91]

Sounds like Irish Champion Stakes could be on the cards.

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That'll be the vadeni bet down the swanny if so

[Sprinter Sacre]

Sounds like Irish Champion Stakes could be on the cards.

[ComplyOrDie]

I expect marked improvement from Baaeed for the step up in trip. Infact, I think he's been crying out for it. Yes, he's unbeaten over 1m, but his breeding suggests he'll get plenty further, and I believe this step up in trip will be right up his street.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he beats the lot tomorrow further than he's been beating horses over 1m, and then cue all the 'he's a monster', 'best we've seen' talk appear....again. I'd still have Frankel to beat him over 1m, easily.

Not much of a surprise to see Baaeed do what he did over an extended trip than what he had been used to. It looked on the cards.

As I said, I'd have Frankel beat Baaeed every time over 1m, but anything 1m2f+ I think it would be a different story. I believe Frankel's form, and the horses in behind, were a lot more solid than those Baaeed has beat.

I can totally understand why they would head to the Champion Stakes, rather than stretch him out further in the Arc, after just one run over 1m2f.

[Quevega]

They very likely won't win the races that he did in his 3yo career

But it's about quality of performance not which races they won and frankel beat better horses and beat them more convincingly

Enable has a better CV than Sea The Stars

2 arcs, 3 King George's etc etc

Frankel Is the best iv seen

Sea the Stars and baaeed probably the 2nd and 3rd

As 3 year old seasons go, Sea the Stars was exceptional and will probably never be surpassed.
I think it's fair to say he was probably the best 3 year old ever.
Who knows what he might have done as a four year old ?

Frankel is IMO the best horse ever, although I'm not convinced he beat better horses (just beat similar horses easier). Horses like Farhh, Excellebration and Cirrus des aigles were probably not as good as their rating suggests and the first 2 probably earnt theirs in relation to vs Frankel and not so much without him.


Baaed being a son of sea the stars and looking better than ever over more than a mile today certainly helps Sea the Stars credentials.
His win today was as impressive as some of Frankels wins.

[FinalFurlong91]

Speaking of Frankel, and his (quite rightly) lofty post career reputation, I’m surprised Sea the Stars doesn’t get even more kudos than he does.

2000 Guineas, Derby, Eclipse, Juddmonte, Irish Champion Stakes, Arc…… in the same season??

I’d be fairly confident no horse will never do this in my lifetime again.

Put simply, it’s an extraordinary feat.

They very likely won't win the races that he did in his 3yo career

But it's about quality of performance not which races they won and frankel beat better horses and beat them more convincingly

Enable has a better CV than Sea The Stars

2 arcs, 3 King George's etc etc

Frankel Is the best iv seen

Sea the Stars and baaeed probably the 2nd and 3rd

[Bollinger]

Hed need to win the Arc by 10 lengths to get to frankels 140 level

He's not even close to frankel at this stage

Speaking of Frankel, and his (quite rightly) lofty post career reputation, I’m surprised Sea the Stars doesn’t get even more kudos than he does.

2000 Guineas, Derby, Eclipse, Juddmonte, Irish Champion Stakes, Arc…… in the same season??

I’d be fairly confident no horse will never do this in my lifetime again.

Put simply, it’s an extraordinary feat.

[Benjy23]

Hed need to win the Arc by 10 lengths to get to frankels 140 level

He's not even close to frankel at this stage

I literally meant imo, rather than on OR. Like I'd personally hold him in higher regard. Not sure you can dispute that tbh pal but as you were.

[That Horse]

Won't be going to Arc according to William Haggas, it's the champion stakes at Ascot for his last race
EDIT - can't help but think it reflects badly on the whole stallion thing that Baeed would somehow lose value if trying 1m4f and got beaten, which is by no means a certainty. He's still the best currently at 1m and 1m2f so just don't send him any mares if you're looking to breed a long distance runner.

It's like a boxer padding out the record from this point onward and not taking up the big fight.

[FinalFurlong91]

Should be going Arc instead of Champions Stakes imo. Very impressive today.

Agree with this

Though they definitely won't want him to lose now as winning over 10f will have bumped up that stallion fee a good bit

That unbeaten record is an excellent commercial selling point at stud

Shadwell will be hoping they have a new flagship stallion on their hands

[FinalFurlong91]

Agreed. Winning the Arc would put him ahead of Frankel imo.

And it looks a very winnable Arc.

Hed need to win the Arc by 10 lengths to get to frankels 140 level

He's not even close to frankel at this stage

[Benjy23]

Agreed. Winning the Arc would put him ahead of Frankel imo.

And it looks a very winnable Arc.