Antepost Market for 2020 Flat Racing Season

[Saxon Warrior]

Phew...I got on Secret Advisor at 10.32am!!!

It's your bet that pushed them over the edge on the price collapse 33s to 20s

[nortonscoin200]

It's your bet that pushed them over the edge on the price collapse 33s to 20s

I did back him to win a seven-figure sum - if you include the pence and the decimal point!

[YoungHustler]

I mentioned the exact same thing yesterday.
All my antepost bets are no more than 95% 0r 100% of stake, despite big cuts in price.

Be interesting if anyone has any Antepost bets that are available to cash for profit ?

My daily, and after dec's bets do allow for profit on cashout though, just not antepost.

I reckon it's a new tactic from them across the board myself, but would be interesting if it's just specific acounts.

An easy system change to make really, so not a surprise.
Hopefully it means they are not as quick to go grey when a horse is ruled out. They'd be in less of a rush with no profiteering happening.

I think you've been winning too much from Bet365 Q! It may be specific accounts as I've got more than my stake offered as cash out on a few bets where the price has luckily dropped. For example today. Sceptical was 20s and is now 11/2. My cash out amount has increased from 90% to 205%.

[Quevega]

I think you've been winning too much from Bet365 Q! It may be specific accounts as I've got more than my stake offered as cash out on a few bets where the price has luckily dropped. For example today. Sceptical was 20s and is now 11/2. My cash out amount has increased from 90% to 205%.

Cheers for the feedback, it does look like it's per account then.

Just looked at my profit loss since 1st June (when racing restarted). B365 only

I've staked 286 pts and returned 273 pts. - with 6pts to run tomorrow so far. - That's a loss of 7 points.

Which tells me 2 things.

1. I'm doing alright considering the lack of form and competitiveness of the racing.
2. I'm betting on any old shit, and should be more disciplined.

[Pendil]

I mentioned the exact same thing yesterday.
All my antepost bets are no more than 95% 0r 100% of stake, despite big cuts in price.

Be interesting if anyone has any Antepost bets that are available to cash for profit ?

My daily, and after dec's bets do allow for profit on cashout though, just not antepost.

I reckon it's a new tactic from them across the board myself, but would be interesting if it's just specific acounts.

An easy system change to make really, so not a surprise.
Hopefully it means they are not as quick to go grey when a horse is ruled out. They'd be in less of a rush with no profiteering happening.

I am offered 95/100 PC on all but 1 bet including English King @ 16/1. However Sceptical backed today @20/1 is offering 210 PC. I think it is more a timing thing with Ascot next week and Cheltenham 9 months away.

[YoungHustler]

Nortons,

It looks like a few took up the two prices suggested on Secret Advisor and Love as Unibet have had to cut at least twice, and to duck out of being clear best price.

Secret Advisor (Ebor) was dropped from 50/1 to 33/1 by Unibet last night, but they have had a big cut down to 20/1 at 10.34am this morning to go underprice compared to a general market price of 25/1 now.


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A very good shout SW, thank you as I managed to get the 50s.

I also have Raymond Tusk, Hamish and Ranch Hand in the book. Hamish I'll probably cash out. Raymond Tusk is one I'm sweet on. His trainer has already said he is working back from this year's Ebor, he has the same weight, he would have gone very close to winning last year with a clear run and better draw(he was drawn 21). People should watch a replay to make their own minds up.

I also have Ranch Hand at 40s with B365 although you can get 50s with Unibet. I prefer the cash out option as not sure if he is being aimed at the Ebor or not. Balding does seem to have runners in this race so I'm hoping RH will be aimed here and if he is, I think he'll have a great chance based off his beating of Trueshan last year(First In Line also well beaten but apparently wasn't suited by the ground). He's going to need a nice win to get his rating up first as Trueshan has gone up 18lbs whereas RH is only up 5lbs to 99.

[YoungHustler]

Far Above still sore for those of you still holding onto tickets and undecided about cashing out or not.

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/hq-winner-far-above-still-sore/180662

[Saxon Warrior]

I am offered 95/100 PC on all but 1 bet including English King @ 16/1. However Sceptical backed today @20/1 is offering 210 PC. I think it is more a timing thing with Ascot next week and Cheltenham 9 months away.

Pendil, I think you’re right.

All of my flat racing antepost bets, placed Post-Festival are 100% or 95% cashout apart from the bets I put on Goshen for the CH at 40/1 and 33/1 on the morning of the Triumph/Gold Cup day, which are “old school” multiples of the original stakes.

I thought that as each event gets closer then cashout could increase, as your Royal Ascot bet suggests.

[Saxon Warrior]

Antepost Market for 2020 Flat Racing Season

7th June post

Love at 33/1 for the St Leger (Unibet). The Oaks was always going to be her race this year, so taking over 4 lengths out of the 1000 Guineas field on the rising ground was so impressive.
Only two firms quote her for the St Leger, B365 go 12’s and Unibet 33’s.

I’m sure both firms don’t think she will go to Donny, but if she wins the Oaks she could easily take in the St Leger and bid to be the first Triple Crown winner for nearly 40 years
(Camelot narrowly failed, so it does show they are willing to give it a go)

The race programme could allow it:-
Oaks 4th July,
Irish Oaks 18th July (if they want to go again quickly)
St Leger 10th September,
and the Arc weekend 3 weeks later.

Her time was excellent when compared with the rest today, she isn’t quoted in the Arc market yet but she could be worth a bet in that too if Aidan’s 3yo colts don’t step up, as he only has Japan (12/1) below 33/1.

The St Leger Triple Crown for Love bites the dust, as she goes straight to the Arc.

Pleased I mentioned a punt for the Arc too, on the evening of her 1000 Guineas victory, and took a price when the Arc market included her shortly afterwards.

Maybe Ghaiyyath and Mishriff will miss the Paris race and go head-2-head in the Champions Stakes instead.

If they do, the whole market underneath Love and Enable looks much weaker, barring Raabihah who looks another good filly for the race.

[Kevloaf]

The St Leger Triple Crown for Love bites the dust, as she goes straight to the Arc.

Pleased I mentioned a punt for the Arc too, on the evening of her 1000 Guineas victory, and took a price when the Arc market included her shortly afterwards.

Maybe Ghaiyyath and Mishriff will miss the Paris race and go head-2-head in the Champions Stakes instead.

If they do, the whole market underneath Love and Enable looks much weaker, barring Raabihah who looks another good filly for the race.

I've recorded her as a loser for the St Leger now too

Was a good shout though, and the Arc dream is still alivea s you say!

[Faugheen_Machine]

Not priced up yet but Sir Busker will be ideal for the Balmoral Handicap on Champions Day, imo.

[Istabraq]

I was fortunate enough to have spent a day in the company of Barry Hills a few years ago and I'll always remember him telling me that top middle distance horses will always swerve the St Leger because if they win that race it actually reduces their stud value.
As soon as you have the stamina to win at 14f you are considered a stayer and not a middle distance horse and more likely to breed NH horses.
Always stuck with me that and well worth considering for future ante post considerations...

[BookieBasher]

I see Pretty Gorgeous won at the Curragh today and cut to 14/1 fav 1000 Guineas. Top marks to whoever put her up at 66/1.Could be sitting on a nice ticket albeit months to wait

[Kevloaf]

I see Pretty Gorgeous won at the Curragh today and cut to 14/1 fav 1000 Guineas. Top marks to whoever put her up at 50s. Could be sitting on a nice ticket albeit months to wait

Saxon Warrior

The 7F Group 3 Silver Flash for Fillies is the first of the triumvirate of races that usually throws up the classic fillies for next year.

Group 3 Silver Flash Stakes 7F
Group 2 Debutante Stakes 7F
Group 1 Moyglare Stud Stakes 7F

There will be many Irish fillies in recent years, that took in these races prior to Newmarket and Epsom runs the following year.

Watching the videos back there are some impressive winners in the race tomorrow (1pm).

The standout for me is PRETTY GORGEOUS.
She debuted over a Mile, but had the race won at 6F and 7F before breezing in over the last 1/2F.

I've backed her for tomorrow, and also taken the 66/1 Bet365 for the 1000 Guineas too.

She looked half a size bigger than the other fillies she ran against on debut and ran all over them, with a rating none of her opponents tomorrow, could match on their debut.

Its not like Joseph to win many with 1st time out 2yo's so she could be a good one.

Followed up with...

The front two Shale and Pretty Gorgeous looked a class apart there.

Happy to retain 66/1 on PG for the 1000 Guineas, she looked a bit gawky when asked to come out of cruise mode and go on.

I am thinking the first two will go on to the Group 2 Debutante Stakes next, and we can see if the placing stay the same again.

Shale biggest 1000 Guineas price post race 33/1, Pretty Gorgeous 50/1.

Front running horses have stayed on to win those two Group 3’s, I think the 2 Fillies are the ones to take out of those juvenile races, one for Joseph and one for Donnacha.

[Saxon Warrior]

Cheers boys,

Love the antepost picking on the flat, particularly from maiden races into classic contenders.

Let’s hope Pretty Gorgeous can follow in the footsteps of my super-spot Saxon Warrior, and win a Newmarket Guineas.

I also can’t believe the bookies pushed out Shale to a general 33/1.
They need to take a close look at the rhythm of the Silver Flash-Debutante-Moyglare Stud Stakes, it produces 3yo Group 1 horses regularly, and form is often overturned through the three races, as it was today (which looked likely given the ground and Pretty Gorgeous having 2 races before, instead of just the one before the Silver Flash).

Pretty Gorgeous looks a miler now already, I would love to see her come to the Fillies Mile, which AOB has used a lot in the past (Love ran in it last year, a close up 3rd, beaten a length) to give his classic fillies a sighter of Newmarket.

Joseph used it for Iridessa too , winning it 2 years ago (beating the next years 1000 Guineas winner Hermosa into 2nd).

I’m presuming because of a Covid they stay at home for the 7F Moyglare first, and then decide whether to run again or not.