Antepost Market for 2020 Flat Racing Season

[Saxon Warrior]

That Thunder Moon ante post bet has cost me my Ladbrokes account. Now restricted to pennies.

Was that a post-race "hover" bet, or something different?

I do have issues with bookies that leave markets up and then take negative action against those that take the prices they are advertising, in the moments before they change them.

Maybe if they pulled the 2000 Guineas market - or horses about to run that are in their 2000 Guineas betting - whilst a race is run that would be a better outcome.

Bet365 do this, and therefore avoids grief with their customers.

[Saxon Warrior]

British and Irish handicappers have updated their official ratings.

In Ireland
Thunder Moon 116
Cadillac 115
Wembley 112 (up 20lb)
St Marks Basilica 112

Shale 112
Pretty Gorgeous (remains on 110)

UK
Chindit 115
Albasheer 112

Indigo Girl 107

[kinloch brae]

Was that a post-race "hover" bet, or something different?

I do have issues with bookies that leave markets up and then take negative action against those that take the prices they are advertising, in the moments before they change them.

Maybe if they pulled the 2000 Guineas market - or horses about to run that are in their 2000 Guineas betting - whilst a race is run that would be a better outcome.

Bet365 do this, and therefore avoids grief with their customers.

It is more difficult to track now Ladbrokes/Corals are not on oddschecker but they wouldn't have been 14/1 before the race. They decided on 14/1 when the others were single figures so what did they expect?

We don't know the exact bet but the decision looks harsh. That said it is probably happening more and more. These days with many of them you can't even win 'small' for any length of time. Betfair/Paddy Power will often go up early with big prices. How often do you think people get on successfully at these prices? It is very frustrating for someone like myself who bets the equivalent of peanuts.

[Saxon Warrior]

It is more difficult to track now Ladbrokes/Corals are not on oddschecker but they wouldn't have been 14/1 before the race. They decided on 14/1 when the others were single figures so what did they expect?

We don't know the exact bet but the decision looks harsh. That said it is probably happening more and more. These days with many of them you can't even win 'small' for any length of time. Betfair/Paddy Power will often go up early with big prices. How often do you think people get on successfully at these prices? It is very frustrating for someone like myself who bets the equivalent of peanuts.

I saw that Lads put up 14/1 post race.
You shouldnt lose your account for taking a new post-race price offered - that would be nuts.

But we know that the bookmakers can do what they want

That will continue until they have to accept that they will need to provide better business practices to their customers after a Gambling Commission enquiry. That could a be a while to determine yet though.

[Faugheen_Machine]

I saw that Lads put up 14/1 post race.
You shouldnt lose your account for taking a new post-race price offered - that would be nuts.

But we know that the bookmakers can do what they want

That will continue until they have to accept that they will need to provide better business practices to their customers after a Gambling Commission enquiry. That could a be a while to determine yet though.

They introduced him at 14/1 and kept it for a good 20 minutes after the race. I was slightly concerned as he was already trading at 7/1 on Betfair so I could easily have traded out instantly.

Live chat was no use. Got the usual response of we don't have to explain why you've been restricted and it was a trading decision.

[Saxon Warrior]

They introduced him at 14/1 and kept it for a good 20 minutes after the race. I was slightly concerned as he was already trading at 7/1 on Betfair so I could easily have traded out instantly.

Live chat was no use. Got the usual response of we don't have to explain why you've been restricted and it was a trading decision.

Yep, I had that 15 months ago. No move from them since, I did ask two or three months back and got nowhere.
Im sure they would give me free reign to lose heavily in their casino instead.

[parimutuel]

Horses in quarantine

https://www.racing.com/news/2020-09-17/news-international-stars-confirmed#/

[FaugheenTheMachine]

Anyone got a screenshot of what the racing post have stuck up today for their antepost bets for the rest of the flat season?

[Outlaw]

Anyone got a screenshot of what the racing post have stuck up today for their antepost bets for the rest of the flat season?

This what your after Faugheen? best i can do you might have to squint.
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[YoungHustler]

Anyone got a screenshot of what the racing post have stuck up today for their antepost bets for the rest of the flat season?

Tempus - Cambridgeshire - Dave Randall
Bell Rock - Cambridgeshire - Robbie Wilders
Billsdon Brook - Sun Chariot - Graeme Rodway
Peaceful - Prix D'Opera - Dave Jennings
Keep Busy - Prix D'Abbeye - James Hill
Coltrane - Cesarewitch - Paul Kealy
Golden Pal - Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint - Mark Boylan
Guarana - Breeders Cup Filly & Mare Sprint - Tom Collins

[FaugheenTheMachine]

Thanks Hustler

[Quevega]

High Definition looks a Derby horse all over.
What price are unibet ???

[Quevega]

Managed to get 25's.
That stride though.
commentator said turn off foot !
Turn of foot my arse.
More like one stride to the other horses 2.

[kinloch brae]

Whether you are on for the Guineas or not I wouldn't be in a hurry to try and play down what happened yesterday. Sometimes the visual impression, rather than the clock, is what matters most. Sometimes very ordinary horses have broken track records. It doesn't make them world beaters. Time boffins were all over the likes of Visionari and Kinross last season. Neither have looked like winning a race since.

You would have to be in cuckoo land to think yesterday's winning verdict was an accurate measure of the winner's superiority. You don't recover from being hampered like that in any race, let alone a Group 1 unless you are very good. In all likelihood had they gone quicker he wouldn't have had such a difficult passage and would have won with the minimum of fuss. Even though there wasn't really a second I would be very careful in attempting to beat any form down with O'Brien runners. We all know how they can take a massive and sometimes unexpected step forward.

I like Chindit but although I would mark up his Champagne Stakes win a little, I doubt the O'Brien horse who finished relatively close would be in the same league as Thunder Moon. I don't think Cadillac was anywhere near as impressive in winning a weaker race.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Thunder Moon this season. I am a strong believer in the idea that the more you do at two the less you have to play with at three. I don't think he needs more experience and he has already laid down a strong marker to be considered the champion 2 y-o. Far more important that he beats those who contest the Dewhurst next season in the 2,000 Guineas. The price might look attractive if you have missed the 14/1 for the Guineas but given his change of pace I wouldn't have the Derby on my mind at the moment.

As for the fillies they are beating each other up. Shale and Pretty Gorgeous have now had some pretty hard races and nine runs between them. They set a decent standard but I would be far less surprised if a maiden winner progressed past those two than Thunder Moon. As one example I was pretty impressed with Thinking Of You at Limerick on Friday. Perhaps you could consider something like Rockfel for her and then who knows? She is probably one of many lurkers who might improve past those with the obvious form.

I won't be giving up on Thinking Of You just yet. In terms of winning today's race she was given a dreadful ride. I would be surprised if she isn't comfortably the best of that field, particularly upped in trip and ridden for stamina rather than speed.

[kinloch brae]

Looks as if the rain has scuppered Love's chances. There was always a fair chance that might happen. Perhaps we are in for a shock as the 2020 version of Enable is no certainty.