Prix de L'Arc de Triomphe 2020

[Run4Home]

Does anyone know if spectators will be allowed into the race weekend this year or has it been decided yet?
Looking to book flights but can't see anything definite as of yet

[kinloch brae]

This market hasn't really taken shape. The four Classics should shed some light.

My starting point would be if Enable couldn't beat a journeyman horse like Waldgeist why should she win this year?

[Kevloaf]

Has anyone tested if cashout is available for this race ante post?

Frankly Darling 25/1 (Golden Horn connections) - if she wins the Oaks (for which she's less than 2/1 to do so) she won't be near that price?

Ghaiyyath is 25/1 as well? Fav for the Coral Eclipse and if he beats Enable, he'll be much closer to her price?

Magical at 25/1? Then again she did have her chance last year and didn't get it done.

English King at 25/1? Similar to the Oaks, if he wins the Derby he's going to shorten up...




Even if they get beaten in their races, they're unliekly to get pushed out massively?

Not gone too far in depth but definitely a potential angle for some low risk shorteners here!

[Kevloaf]

I've just tested it and backed Ghaiyyath at 25/1, cashout value is 95%.


As I've been incredibly lazy, is anyone aware of this not being the plan for him? As 25/1 looks mental.


I'd be surprised if they suspend the cashout during the race for the Arc to be honest, but Love at 20/1 and Frankly Darling at 25/1 are two I'll probably add soon with that in mind.

Whichever wins, the Arc has to become an option.

[Kevloaf]

Ghaiyyath 25/1
Frankly Darling 25/1
Love 20/1
Mogul 33/1
Russian Emperor 33/1
English King 25/1

All added.


Let's hope at least 1 of these 6 shorten dramatically


I may well chance Victor Ludorum with WH whilst they're 25/1 before he runs on Sunday in the Prix du Jockey Club.... he's fav for that currently at 9/4

[ComplyOrDie]

I've just tested it and backed Ghaiyyath at 25/1, cashout value is 95%.


As I've been incredibly lazy, is anyone aware of this not being the plan for him? As 25/1 looks mental.


I'd be surprised if they suspend the cashout during the race for the Arc to be honest, but Love at 20/1 and Frankly Darling at 25/1 are two I'll probably add soon with that in mind.

Whichever wins, the Arc has to become an option.

Ghaiyyath is definite value IMO. Think it's a cracking bet and idea to be ready to cash. Going to be sitting on it also I think.

[Kevloaf]

Ghaiyyath is definite value IMO. Think it's a cracking bet and idea to be ready to cash. Going to be sitting on it also I think.

Then again, he did get walloped in the race last time and was beaten in the Ganay, so clearly not bulletproof.

Regardless, I don't think he's a 25/1 shot and especially not after the weekend....

[ComplyOrDie]

Then again, he did get walloped in the race last time and was beaten in the Ganay, so clearly not bulletproof.

Regardless, I don't think he's a 25/1 shot and especially not after the weekend....

Very much feel the ground that got him that day. Good or G/F and we've got a play. Again, can be cashed based on the ground nearer the time too.

[kinloch brae]

Ghaiyyath was so bad last year I wouldn't give him a second look. Assuming he doesn't flop again in the meantime I would aim him at the Champion Stakes and hope it doesn't turn soft. Over a mile and a half I think proper Group 1 horses will just run him down.

I haven't backed anything at this stage but Raabihah and Pao Alto would be two I would be most interested in. Unfortunately, I can't boost Raabihah to 40/1 and Pao Alto is only quoted in one place. With so runners in the French Derby you will need luck in running but Pao Alto is the only one with the sort of pace that might trouble Victor Ludorum.

[Kevloaf]

Ghaiyyath was so bad last year I wouldn't give him a second look. Assuming he doesn't flop again in the meantime I would aim him at the Champion Stakes and hope it doesn't turn soft. Over a mile and a half I think proper Group 1 horses will just run him down.

Too bad to be a true running though?

Not giving him a second look is pretty bold considering his record since, and overall win record, no?

He's a bigger price than Stadivarius which is pretty funny.

[ComplyOrDie]

Ghaiyyath was so bad last year I wouldn't give him a second look. Assuming he doesn't flop again in the meantime I would aim him at the Champion Stakes and hope it doesn't turn soft. Over a mile and a half I think proper Group 1 horses will just run him down.

I haven't backed anything at this stage but Raabihah and Pao Alto would be two I would be most interested in. Unfortunately, I can't boost Raabihah to 40/1 and Pao Alto is only quoted in one place. With so runners in the French Derby you will need luck in running but Pao Alto is the only one with the sort of pace that might trouble Victor Ludorum.

Raabihah is one of interest too KB. The only two that interest me are Raabihah and Ghaiyyath.

Can you not excuse one run in very unsuitable ground for a horse? His 3 defeats have been on Very Soft (his heaviest by far), Good/Soft & Good/Soft again. I think it looks quite obvious that any going with 'soft' in the description would be a massive negative for him, so it will boil down to what it is like on the actual day, IMO.

[Run4Home]

Has 3 antepost bets here

Enable 6/1
Japan 16/1 ew
Raabihah 50/1 ew

[kinloch brae]

Raabihah is one of interest too KB. The only two that interest me are Raabihah and Ghaiyyath.

Can you not excuse one run in very unsuitable ground for a horse? His 3 defeats have been on Very Soft (his heaviest by far), Good/Soft & Good/Soft again. I think it looks quite obvious that any going with 'soft' in the description would be a massive negative for him, so it will boil down to what it is like on the actual day, IMO.

I would normally agree that forgiving a bad run is a very good tactic but how many times can you forgive? It limits you if you cannot cope with good to soft. I also think he might well be better at a mile and a quarter and that most of the time he has been bullying rivals who are not genuine Grade 1 horses. Last year's Derby wasn't good and Stradivarius doesn't have the pace for a mile and a half.

[Saxon Warrior]

I've just tested it and backed Ghaiyyath at 25/1, cashout value is 95%.


As I've been incredibly lazy, is anyone aware of this not being the plan for him? As 25/1 looks mental.


I'd be surprised if they suspend the cashout during the race for the Arc to be honest, but Love at 20/1 and Frankly Darling at 25/1 are two I'll probably add soon with that in mind.

Whichever wins, the Arc has to become an option.

B365 usually delete the horses that are running on the day, from all antepost markets, just before the off.

[Kevloaf]

B365 usually delete the horses that are running on the day, from all antepost markets, just before the off.

Fair enough. I still don't think they'll push things out significantly after the event. Bar focusing on cutting anything, I think they'd keep anything else the same.

We're will see tomorrow