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Yeah sorry by UK based that he lives there rather than rides.
Yah interesting how it plays out but would bet good money assuming Aidan sends runners over for the big ones (which in all likelihood is guaranteed if he can) Ryan will be riding for that month or so period in the UK. Can't see Aidan or himself not wanting to be there for Ascot and the Classics.
Maybe he comes over then ... but as you say interesting how it will plays out.
Its the staff the travel will rule out for the 14days will have a big impact how that is dealt with.
If O'brien has to quarantine, then I doubt he'll come over at all.
The Irish guineas are on 12/13 June and the Irish Derby 27th June.
If O'brien has to quarantine, then I doubt he'll come over at all.
The Irish guineas are on 12/13 June and the Irish Derby 27th June.
O Brien won't travel, meant Aidan or Ryan not wanting Ryan to be there riding in Uk. Would be my thoughts anyway, lets see how it all plays out.
Interesting times for racing!
Be interesting when the Guineas entries open (probably 1st June) if a lot of antepost bets are voided.
A lot of bookmakers have a rule that if entries are reopened then the antepost bets are voided. (the original entries were cancelled)
Some have a rule that if the race is run at Newmarket that they wont be voided.
Its an unusual occurrence, and we all place antepost bets, mostly not understanding the nuances of void bets that different firms have.
It will be interesting to see if bookmakers individually stick to their rules, or come together to agree a common ruling.
I’d expect all existing AP bets to stand SW.
I know the date has moved but assuming it stays at Newmarket and the race conditions are unaltered all bets must stand.
You’d be fuming if you had a 25/1 Pinatubo voucher that got wiped...
I’d expect all existing AP bets to stand SW.
I know the date has moved but assuming it stays at Newmarket and the race conditions are unaltered all bets must stand.
You’d be fuming if you had a 25/1 Pinatubo voucher that got wiped...
Nice little piece in the racing post today about Pinatubo and Al Suhail amongst other Godolphin horses for the season.
I’d expect all existing AP bets to stand SW.
I know the date has moved but assuming it stays at Newmarket and the race conditions are unaltered all bets must stand.
You’d be fuming if you had a 25/1 Pinatubo voucher that got wiped...
I hope they all agree one path for all bookies, but I'm not convinced.
The antepost Guineas bets for some bookmakers were potentially doomed the moment the entries were pulled a month or more ago according to their VOID rules on entries.
(Much the same as any antepost race being off due to bad ground and then new entries being declared to run it the following week).
The two common themes on VOID antepost races are
* Void if not run at same track, and
* Void if entries are reopened
Some bookies have either of these means a Void race, and refund of antepost bets.
Lee Mottershead wrote a piece in the Racing Post on it after the 1000/2000 original entries were pulled.
I think the Oaks and Derby will be okay though for all bookmakers. The Guineas will be with some firms and possibly not with others.
I wrote down from the Racing Post article on bookies terms and researching those that weren’t mentioned, the following
(KIV the firms could have amended their Void antepost bet terms in the last month)
Void If Entries Reopened
Unibet
William Hill
Bet365
Bet Victor (by mutual consent) - not sure how that works
Void Unless race run at same track
Coral
Sportingbet
888Sport
Ladbrokes
Void If Entries Reopened and Void Unless race run at same track
Betfred
Boylesports
Paddy Power
Betfair Sports
Last edited by Saxon Warrior; 19 May 2020, 06:49 PM.
Nice little piece in the racing post today about Pinatubo and Al Suhail amongst other Godolphin horses for the season.
Just asked about Al Suhail on the Derby thread. Do they map out the plan for the early season for him?
It's ok, I've found it
Appleby could also have a second string to his bow in the 2000 Guineas with Al Suhail, winner of one of his four starts last term, also in the frame.
The trainer added: “He has worked well at Moulton Paddocks, and we will look at running him in the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket, with a view to stepping him up in trip to run in the Derby.
“Al Suhail is a very interesting colt. He has a lot of natural pace, but his pedigree suggests he should stay the Derby trip (he is by Dubawi out an Oaks runner-up).”
Given i think Pinatubo is the likeliest winner by a good bit and clearly has the strongest form by a long way- i decided to try and look for a horse, that was still much more unexposed. Now i haven’t actually backed him, but i thought Al Madhar was interesting?
Hannon was glowing about him, he didn’t have any fancy entries when winning at Newmarket, he did mention he wasn’t planning on running him much or at all after that- which i suppose allows for the layoff- for all i would’ve thought they would run him at least once more at 2?
Hannon said in March he could go straight here- corona has obviously forced his hand, but he does seem interesting?
Since March 17,Hannon is 320 runs, 36 wins, and 88 placed with first time out 2yos. So while he gets winners in the sphere, he isn’t as well known for it like his father. So for this horse to win first time out at Newmarket probably indicates he has a fair amount of natural ability. Always difficult to know how fit they are in maidens, but Al Suhail has shown the form up quite well, first receiver finished 2nd NTO and Tsar won.
Hannon can ready them for this as we know, and possibly he can do the same here to run into the money or cause a shock?
charlie Appleby On Pinatubo "We're delighted with the way he's strengthened and I think people will be pleasantly surprised by what they see at Newmarket"
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