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150s still available on bet365, may be worth a small stake punt each way -
Being drawn low and getting stuck on that rail with knowhere to go is such a disadvantageOriginally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post
need plenty of luck or to be by miles the best horseComment
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After all this rain and all the ridiculous watering will mohaafeth even run?
the culture of watering is farcical, whats wrong with gd to firm for flat horses ffsComment
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I've cashed out on him where I can, I still have my 100+/1 ticket on him as that's non cash out but his chance surely gone now. He's 6/1 for the king Edward which is no fucking appeal eitherOriginally posted by FinalFurlong91 View PostComment
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Either they have bad advisors or they have got really unlucky, this ground is horrible for such a high profile meeting and the watering clearly biting them in the arse now.Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
Could be even worse tomorrow, warm and sunny all day could make it sticky and a brutal test of stamina…Comment
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Mac swiney has halved on the exchange
Fav out to 3.1Comment
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I've landed on Third Realm in the big one today. He has to over come a poor draw but I really like his chances. Watched the Lingfield trail back again this morning and he was really impressive - not sure why he's such a big price.
Famous last words but I can't see him being out of the first 5
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I'm with you on Third Realm. He settles really well and I loved the way he accelerated round the bend at Lingfield and then winning quite snugly imo. Reminded me I was lucky on High Rise all those years ago as it's the same owner. I'm also having Mac Swiney as think this has been the plan and Jim Bolger is having a cracking season.Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View PostI've landed on Third Realm in the big one today. He has to over come a poor draw but I really like his chances. Watched the Lingfield trail back again this morning and he was really impressive - not sure why he's such a big price.
Famous last words but I can't see him being out of the first 5Comment
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Masar's Derby was on slow side of good, after having been soft for Together Forever's Oaks win. 23degrees on Saturday like today is due to be. Well that's what the clerk is saying...Originally posted by Istabraq View PostComment
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Yep remember it well.Originally posted by jack1092 View Post
I was a shrewdie that year, backed Masar at 25/1 for the Guinneas and 50/1 for the Derby in the Winter, cashed out the Derby bet and let the Guinneas bet ride.
Re the ground I know they were faced with a dilemma earlier in the week but the rain was always on the radar and from Thursday morning it was confirmed to hit the track but they still got the hoses out Thursday night.
As FinalFurlong91 said earlier what is wrong with genuinely quick ground, it's what these top level flat horses were bred to race on...Comment
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My point was more just regarding what today's ground might well turn out like, not necessarily sticky.Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
In saying that, watering is annoying, but some people more knowledgable than me have stuck up for the clerk and suggested he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. I've seen it mentioned that it's as risky having the rain they did yesterday on unwatered G/F ground. Personally, it is what it is and if you take antepost bets these days, take it into consideration rather than drive yourself mad....but that's just me.Comment
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I get that and it may well turn out to be the case, but no question his watering on Thursday contributed to the conditions for the Oaks…Originally posted by jack1092 View PostComment
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Mohaafeth pulled outComment
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Aidan has a fantastic record in the Derby as well. 8 wins inc 3 of the last 4 and this time there's no need to wonder which is his real horse for the race!
BB ticks all the boxes and so is a short price. He was more impressive in his 2nd run than his is beating more or less the same set of horses.
Mac Swiney franked the form in the shorter and heavier Irish 2000 but Flying Visit disappointed in the Dante; Fernado Vichi has won since yet Lough Derg has flopped since.
So BB's form isn't as clear cut as on first impression. Willie Carson thought it shaped as a non stayer. I can see that in his first season run but not his second but who am I to argue with the great man! So I think this short priced horse is opposable despite the obvious plusses.
Mac Swiney seems to need softer ground. I was impressed how Hurricane Lane overtook the clear leader in the straight at York. BB will want to be handy early and kick early in the straight if he runs like his last two wins. Will he be vulnerable to a late finisher?
John Leeper has a line form advantage over Balding's Youth Spirit
Southern Lights looked very unlucky in BB's 2nd trial. I don't think he would have caught the winner but had he got through on the inside he wouldn't have been too far away.
Third Realm ran green at Lingfield but the jockey spent a lot of time looking round so was a very comfortable winner who seemed to handle the similar course well
Selections: Hurricane Lane, John Leeper, Third Realm, Southern LightsComment
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Wow I didn't see that one though Adayar was a bit unlucky in the Lingfield race since Third Realm got first run. In this race Adam Kirby turned the tables by overcoming the draw disadvantage and had a better position coming down the hill. BB proved to be a non stayer. Brave run up the inside but he kicked on well once in the clear. Hurricane Ride was in a good position but got beat by two better horses. Despite the high prices the front two could be very good horses but not as good as Snowfall!Comment
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