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ARC de Triomphe 2019

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  • ARC de Triomphe 2019

    Had to back Mehdaayih again with Sky 40-1 2pts ew NRNB.
    I'm not a layer.

    adding to existing bets....

    Mehdaayih 1pt 1000-1, 1pt 470-1, 1pt 80-1.
    Japan 2pts 12-1 B365.


    Thought it best to have a place on my side with so much potentially riding on her.
    Fully expecting her not to run (can't find anything out as all they do is bang on about enable, for good reason I suppose), but she has been declared.

    With the record of 3 year olds being so strong in this race it really looks open for Enable to win for a third time.
    The biggest danger has to be Japan.
    The only other three year olds
    Anthony Van Dyk, Sottsas, Mehdaayih.

    This seems light to me and a lot of the older horses look easy meat for enable.

    Some Historical trends

    Last 18/25 winners were 3yrs old.
    Last 8/11 were fillies.
    Last 4/11 were 3yr old filles.
    2 of those went on to win it again obviously Treve & Enable

    Record of 3yr old fillies in last 11 renewals. And list of Winners.....

    Zarkava 3yr old filly - only 1 3yr old filliy ran and she won

    Sea the stars 3yr old colt - only 1 ran again and stacelita came 7th

    Workforce 3yr old colt - only 1 ran and was unlucky in running, Sarafina came 3rd

    Danedream 3yr old filly - 4 ran in this, Shareta was 2nd and Galikova & testosterone down the field.

    Solemia 4yr old filly - 2 ran in this and Yellow and Green & Great Heavens finished 5th and 6th.

    Treve 3yr old filly - Just the one and she won

    Treve 4yr old filly - 5 ran in this , Tagroodah 3rd and unlucky, Dolniya 5th, Harp Star 6th, Avenir certain 11th, Tapestry 13th

    Golden Horn 3yr old colt - Found ran in this and came 9th, Shahah also ran and finished railed off (rated 77 ?)

    Found 4yr old filly - Just one again, Left hand finished 12th

    Enable 3yr old filly - 2 ran in this, the winner and Winter, who came 9th

    Enable 4yr old filly - 2 ran in this, Sea of Class an unlucky 2nd and Magical who came 10th.

    Out of just 22 runners (that's counting Shahah)
    4 winners
    4 placed

    and 3 of those 22 runners returned to win the race at 4 also.


    Thats pretty impressive given that the total runners is approx 195.

    The record of three year old colts is also impressive and goes back even further, especially the top rated ones.

    It appears very difficult for an older colt to give the weight away in this race, and the last one to do so was Dylan Thomas in 2007.

    So I think the field can be narrowed down for Sunday.
    The four 3yr olds have to be considered.
    And maybe Enable (obviously) & Magical due to the similarities with Found.
    But surely Enable has the beating of Magical ?

    So I Think the bet has to be Mehdaayih (even though I already have her at daft prices) at the prices (especially the 40-1 NRNB with Sky) as there's every chance she won't run.

    If she does though and gets the good end of the draw and one or two of the others don't, then I think her form means she is in with a decent chance. The form of her loss at Goodwood don't look too bad if you consider that she went too fast and also too soon, setting it up for Deidre to stay on best. Deidre did the same in the Irish Champion stakes but off a steadier pace and less lucky a ride.

    And at 6-1 Japan still looks a solid each way bet too.

    This should all set up for a four yr old colt to win.

    Seriously though,
    Enable should win this.
    But the stats and history are against it.
    But on a positive note the 3yr old challenge is thin on the ground (Gosden probably has the best ones sat at home in Starcatcher & Logician)
    Which is why Mehdaayih running and winning is unlikely.

    All this and I'll be on a fucking plane while it runs returning from a Golf weekend in Benalmadena ?

  • #2
    Need to wait for draw and what ground is like before having a bet. Very soft ground and a wide draw is the only way Enable can get beat.

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    • #3
      I’ve been a JAPAN fan since he won his Group 2 as a 2 year old.

      I think he would have been likely to win the Derby had his early season prep been easier.

      Got on at 25/1 and then 20/1 for the Arc. Really pleased with York Win, and then missing the Irish Champion Stakes.

      He appears to have had a smooth run since Royal Ascot, so hopefully with a clear run in the race we can see if he is the best 3 year-old of the season.

      It’s always a trappy race with trouble in running often a factor, so my main hope is that he has a clean passage and the chance to see if he is good enough.
      "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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      • #4
        I don’t think I’ve read/heard anyone, professional or otherwise, mention Waldgeist.
        Was drawn out wide with Sea of Class last year, met plenty of traffic and flew to finish 4th beaten around 1.5l.
        Was closer to Enable and Crystal Ocean at the finish than at any time of the King George and won the Prix Foy with any amount in hand (weak trial granted).
        Obviously Crystal Ocean and Sea of Class won’t be there and on the book he has little to find with Enable.
        I started using free bets a while back at 16/1 and will probably look to have a more serious bet come Sunday....

        Ps - I haven’t seen a 3yo who is capable of winning this, could easily be wrong but whilst the trends are strong for the younger generation and fairer sex this years race could be a buster...
        Last edited by Istabraq; 30 September 2019, 08:51 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hamptonfox View Post
          I’ve been a JAPAN fan since he won his Group 2 as a 2 year old.

          I think he would have been likely to win the Derby had his early season prep been easier.

          Got on at 25/1 and then 20/1 for the Arc. Really pleased with York Win, and then missing the Irish Champion Stakes.

          He appears to have had a smooth run since Royal Ascot, so hopefully with a clear run in the race we can see if he is the best 3 year-old of the season.

          It’s always a trappy race with trouble in running often a factor, so my main hope is that he has a clean passage and the chance to see if he is good enough.
          Yep, I'll be amazed if Japan gets a better ride than enable though. Will need a perfect draw.
          Ryan tends to end up on the rail towards the back, midfield at best.
          Had dream run through on Found and was fortunate to get Workforce through, Sarafina should have won that.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
            I don’t think I’ve read/heard anyone, professional or otherwise, mention Waldgeist.
            Was drawn out wide with Sea of Class last year, met plenty of traffic and flew to finish 4th beaten around 1.5l.
            Was closer to Enable and Crystal Ocean at the finish than at any time of the King George and won the Prix Foy with any amount in hand (weak trial granted).
            Obviously Crystal Ocean and Sea of Class won’t be there and on the book he has little to find with Enable.
            I started using free bets a while back at 16/1 and will probably look to have a more serious bet come Sunday...
            He'll get tipped up by plenty near the day, like last year

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            • #7
              Saw the title and thought that’s keen even by our usual antepost standards!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FaugheenTheMachine View Post
                Saw the title and thought that’s keen even by our usual antepost standards!
                Oops

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                • #9
                  No idea how to correct it

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                  • #10
                    Sottsass for me.... there are some doubts as to whether he truly stays the trip but everything he’s done to date suggests he will IMO. Granted the usual luck in running, I can see his turn of foot picking up Enable.

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                    • #11
                      That excitement lasted long didn't it

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                      • #12
                        Japan for me. Got on him straight after Royal Ascot. Sottsass looks the danger to me though (excluding Enable). If Enable is in tip top form it's hard to see her beat.

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                        • #13
                          4pts down before we start.
                          3 on mehdaayih, 1 on annapurna.

                          Still have 2pts 12-1 Japan.
                          Have added 2pts Sottsas 15/2
                          1pt A Van Dyck 145-1 (looking like a NR on exchanges)

                          Expect enable to win, but carrying on with the 3 yr old theory, and Japan and Sottsass have pretty decnet form and could easily improve enough to win. I think Enable's presence and popularity is allowing decent value on what would normally be shorter priced rivals.

                          Respect Ghaayath & Waldgiest.
                          If anything else wins then I give up .

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                          • #14
                            I need Sottsass for £1,000 pay out with one to go.Currently 2/2 in Lucky 15. Ten Sovereigns 7/1 Too Darn Sexy 7/1 obliged so far with Sottsass 3rd leg at 12/1. I wont spill beans on forth unless Sottsass comes home in front, but itll be for nice amount.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by quevega View Post
                              That excitement lasted long didn't it
                              You going back in for the Opera QV... 5/2 with Billys seems pretty fair?

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