The FJ Weekly Punt

[robith]

Despite having once been through the card at Royal Ascot (ask me about it sometime, both my best and worst ever bet) I don't know my arse from my elbow on the flat, so I love the idea of one weekend punt we're all on and hopefully I can learn a bit about how people suss out the flat

[riccirich]

Good to see you mayo hope you’re well.

riccirich I like the idea, worth noting ground can make a huge difference on the flat so later picks/selections if there’s weather around might be sensible.
Good initiative this….

FJ needs mayo’s million back…

Good point. Maybe two hours before the race may be better. I don't want to shorten it much more than that as ideally want to leave plenty of time for people to see it. And if there's rain about then you'd probably still be worried about ground changing a half hour before the race anyway.

[Istabraq]

Good point. Maybe two hours before the race may be better. I don't want to shorten it much more than that as ideally want to leave plenty of time for people to see it. And if there's rain about then you'd probably still be worried about ground changing a half hour before the race anyway.

It’s part ground part draw that’s the concern, I’ve been done by many a late going change when tracks have an obvious deep ground bias.
For example, you would’t want to be draw 1 in the Wokingham after a 10mm storm…

[ThomasJHogg]

Well up for this, single's i think would work better!

[riccirich]

It’s part ground part draw that’s the concern, I’ve been done by many a late going change when tracks have an obvious deep ground bias.
For example, you would’t want to be draw 1 in the Wokingham after a 10mm storm…

Yeah I get what you mean. My thinking would just be how quick can a shower of rain change the going description? It maybe only takes 20 minutes or so, I'm not sure really. So in that case you could make an argument for posting the selection only twenty minutes before the race, to make absolutely 100% sure that it's the right ground conditions. But I don't think that sort of thing would go down too well with people.

I'm obviously only guessing as regards to what people would prefer, but I'd say most would prefer the selection posted a decent bit of time before the race to make sure they don't miss it, and take their chances with the ground. as opposed to the pick being posted not long before the race due to ground concerns, and people having to be constantly refreshing the page to make sure they don't miss the selection being posted 20 minutes or so beforehand.

That's my thinking anyway, but if I'm wrong and people don't mind short notice then of course that can be changed no problem.

Edit: completely forgot about the prior notification of selection thing I suppose if you notified beforehand what time your selection was going to be posted, then short notice of the actual selection wouldn't be that much of an issue. I'll change the recommended times in post one now, if anyone thinks they should be changed again for any reason then let me know.

[FinalFurlong91]

I'd think since it's a forum thing that the night before or early morning would be needed to give people chance to get to a shop or back online

[ComplyOrDie]

I'm not sure if someone has suggested this or not, as I haven't read the whole thread, but doing this in the members section may be beneficial for the price to remain a little longer, too.

[Liammet]

Could I suggest that if someone is nominated and they pick a winner that they remain in place for the following week until they pick a loser ? maybe they could run up a sequence

[Quevega]

Yeah I get what you mean. My thinking would just be how quick can a shower of rain change the going description? It maybe only takes 20 minutes or so, I'm not sure really. So in that case you could make an argument for posting the selection only twenty minutes before the race, to make absolutely 100% sure that it's the right ground conditions. But I don't think that sort of thing would go down too well with people.

I'm obviously only guessing as regards to what people would prefer, but I'd say most would prefer the selection posted a decent bit of time before the race to make sure they don't miss it, and take their chances with the ground. as opposed to the pick being posted not long before the race due to ground concerns, and people having to be constantly refreshing the page to make sure they don't miss the selection being posted 20 minutes or so beforehand.

That's my thinking anyway, but if I'm wrong and people don't mind short notice then of course that can be changed no problem.

Edit: completely forgot about the prior notification of selection thing I suppose if you notified beforehand what time your selection was going to be posted, then short notice of the actual selection wouldn't be that much of an issue. I'll change the recommended times in post one now, if anyone thinks they should be changed again for any reason then let me know.

I think it would be a lot better all round for whoever is putting up the selection.

To do so at a set time (punctually) every Saturday. - This would help anyone getting involved, so they're not having to check in every half hour and can get on with their day.

10am would be best I reckon.

No reason to get too precious or over complicate matters IMO.

Saturdays racing should offer up plenty of opportunities for anyone with the responsibility to look through the cards.

Lets not get too technical with the ground I reckon - this can always be factored in using the forecasts etc. We are effectively attempting to predict the future anyway
If people are concerned about the ground aspect, or any other matter, then they obviously have the choice not to bet, or leave it till a lot closer to the off, do it in running or whatever the fuck they like.

I suppose on rare occasions if someone, who is up that week, has some inside info, or a really strong fancy that is due to run on another day, then they can give advance notice to the forum and state when they are going to put up the bet. Time and day etc.

But otherwise the 10am on Saturday should suffice I reckon.

Just my tenpenneth.

Even letting people know the time you're putting it up to coincide with being close the race off time has obvious issues like the price changing.

[Istabraq]

10am would be best I reckon.

No reason to get too precious or over complicate matters

Lets not get too technical with the ground leave it till

But otherwise the 10am on Saturday should suffice I reckon.
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For those that have a different value of ground/draw the option to ignore the pick always exists.
For the most part it won’t make any difference, but I’m if the opinion occasionally it will.
Looking forward to it, should be fun…

[Quevega]

For those that have a different value of ground/draw the option to ignore the pick always exists.
For the most part it won’t make any difference, but I’m if the opinion occasionally it will.
Looking forward to it, should be fun…

absolutely.
The option to ignore for whatever reason is always there. And in some cases I would encourage it

Just makes it easier to be more rigid with timings and days I reckon.

riccirich - I'd consider relaxing the price limits as well mate if I was you. Having a 16-1 limit will definitely narrow the options.

I'd be in favour of it being left open to the selector myself, but with the proviso of looking for something double figures wherever possible.

If it looks like lots are getting involved and we are moving markets then we could re assess this. I'm not so sure we will though.

The Naaid is different as there's likely more involved and the gamble is kicked off on an event weeks away on a random night in February.
Almost certainly going to move the price in that scenario.

[Pisto]

All I’m gonna say is the Lincoln is a nice easy start for you riccirich

[riccirich]

Could I suggest that if someone is nominated and they pick a winner that they remain in place for the following week until they pick a loser ? maybe they could run up a sequence

Yep, if you pick a winner you get to stay on for another two weeks. if your selection places, then you get one more week. That's the plan currently. The minimum price is currently set at 16/1, so if you get a place at those odds or bigger I think it's also deserving of staying on another week. And if you do win/place again in your second week, then your time obviously gets extended again until you run out of lives.

I've set out those guidelines in post number one but it's all a little jumbled, I'll sort it out and make it a bit clearer soon.

[riccirich]

This is all obviously very new so I think we'll be tinkering with the "rules" for a while until we settle on the best format.

Having thought about it again and read some more posts, I do think a set time will be better, rather than differing times due to worrying about the ground too much. I think making it as simple as possible and sticking to somewhat of a routine will be whats best. As has been said, if people have any of their own concerns about the ground they can hold off on backing right away or whatever suits them best. And also the person posting they're selection that week can assess the chances of the ground changing themselves, and decide whether the price is still a good one with that possible risk factored in.

I am keen to keep some sort of minimum price limit though. The current 16/1 can definitely be lowered, but I'd like it to remain something with a bit of juice in it. I think it'd be a lot of fuss over nothing if people start posting 4/1 shots, or 2/1 even I myself would get bored and lose interest after a while, as I'm sure many would. I think 10/1 might be fair enough, so it's at least double digits, and would make place money something half decent.

[riccirich]

Guidelines have been updated in post one. Still open to change of course.