March ‘25 Yankee

[DenmanSacre]

They'll be took away by the guys in the white coats

I don't agree with it. Andy Holding said it and it all of a sudden it became fact on the preview circuit. People were saying it on here so the fact he came 3rd should then mean those same people think it was a good Triumph. As I say, at the moment I think Lulamba will come out and be grade 1 class in open chases, EID could become Stayers Hurdle class as it isn't a huge jump, no idea on what the winner will do though.

[EnvoiAlien]

Why do you think it was the worst in years? Wasn't all the talk beforehand that EID had put up figures that would win most Triumphs over the last 10 years. The right horses in 2nd and 3rd, with the Townend pick in 4th. Just beat by an unraced one none of us knew anything about with regards to hurdling.

They won't be as good as last year's juveniles, but I'd put them up there with Lossiemouths year, better than Vaubans year and better than Quilixios year as well.

The one I'd discount for next season right away is EID, has zero scope & really don't see him doing much as a 5yo, might even see him back on the flat, of the others there's plenty that'll improve for a summer at grass, I'd be very surprised if plenty of good winners don't come out of the race, even with the dreaded 5yo season ahead of them, I don't think there's a champion hurdle horse in there though.

[DenmanSacre]

I personally just don't think they're that good, figures might show them being good but in my opinion I was never blown away by EID throughout the season.

I'd probably put them in the same tier as the qulixios year personally but I can't see them doing much in open company bar the winner and the mare in 5th who I think will do a let's dance next year

I guess we'll see over the next 2 years. I think EID could be Stayers class by then, Lulamba will be in open chases and we'll see what the winner has done. Lossiemouths year was poor instead of her, Vaubans year has done nothing, at least Quilixios has been competitive in grade 1 chases but the rest rubbish. Most years for the Triumph end up looking poor when seeing what most of them do over the next 2/3 years.

[DenmanSacre]

The one I'd discount for next season right away is EID, has zero scope & really don't see him doing much as a 5yo, might even see him back on the flat, of the others there's plenty that'll improve for a summer at grass, I'd be very surprised if plenty of good winners don't come out of the race, even with the dreaded 5yo season ahead of them, I don't think there's a champion hurdle horse in there though.

I think he'll improve for a trip. Most years it's not fair to judge them on the 5yo season but see how they fair at 6yo. The Stayers is a poor group so not inconceivable he can find 10 pounds to get to that level in 2 years time. I don't think he'll do much as a 5yo as they'll probably run him in handicaps and 2m4 hurdles but let's see if they go for the 3m races.

[EnvoiAlien]

I think he'll improve for a trip. Most years it's not fair to judge them on the 5yo season but see how they fair at 6yo. The Stayers is a poor group so not inconceivable he can find 10 pounds to get to that level in 2 years time. I don't think he'll do much as a 5yo as they'll probably run him in handicaps and 2m4 hurdles but let's see if they go for the 3m races.

Very true, the 5yo season is almost a wasted season for many, just he lacks size & scope for me to see where the improvement comes from,you've a good point that going up in trip could be the answer I wasn't considering for his future prospects.

Sidenote but of all the juveniles, Mambonumberfive is the one I really want to keep onside for next season, could really come into his own for a fence and Pauling does seem to be doing well with his chasers this season,maybe his methods at home with them works or could just be good race placement on his part.

[Eggs]

Very true, the 5yo season is almost a wasted season for many, just he lacks size & scope for me to see where the improvement comes from,you've a good point that going up in trip could be the answer I wasn't considering for his future prospects.

Sidenote but of all the juveniles, Mambonumberfive is the one I really want to keep onside for next season, could really come into his own for a fence and Pauling does seem to be doing well with his chasers this season,maybe his methods at home with them works or could just be good race placement on his part.

….Pauling was very keen on a few of his last week.

[Joleg]

I think i'd take a look at Marine Nationale for the CC, won it well this year and will surely look to defend his crown.

I;d possibly also throw in William Munny (Arkle) and FTF (Gold Cup)

[Exar Essay]

I think State Man at 16/1 is massive. He was about to record his best performance when falling at the last. He’s the only one of the big 3 you can be confident was running to a high figure that day.

BDA ran another poor race at Cheltenham.

Constitution Hill is a shrug of the shoulders. Who knows.

Lossie’s been considered not good enough this year. A clear run may change that, but it may not.

I can’t understand why Constitution Hill is 1/4 the price of State Man. I think it’s a real rick.

The New Lion could be a real contender. But he’d have to prove it too. He’s probably beaten two staying chasers there in an event we know favours speed.

If I were picking four right now, I’d go with:

- State Man - Champion Hurdle @ 16/1
- William Munny - Arkle @ 16/1
- Teahupoo - Stayers @ 5/1
- Kitzbuhel - BANC @ 20/1

I think PP offer all of the above prices.

[jrjr]

Any remaining love for Salvator? WPM sends most of his novice hurdlers over fences and he’d likely have just one target if good enough (Arkle). Willie often says fences can help settle the keen ones - let him bowl along in front, should have the engine to see out 2m. 50/1.

Watched Willie interviewed by Chapman at the end of Friday and I got the distinct impression Kopek was by no means certain to stay over the minimum trip. 33/1 BANC is a big price for something that could quite feasibly happen.

Impaire Et Passe seems to be a bit of a forgotten horse. One iffy run at the DRF and he is priced at 33/1 for his favourite trip (Ryanair). A much more experienced and reliable horse than something like Maj at 3-4 times the price. One good run at Aintree and that price will be slashed.

[FinalFurlong91]

Mundi could be next years county horse

[CJW]

Mundi could be next years county horse

Mundi has been mentioned but much too soon, yellow card .

[Eggs]

….William Munny popular suggestion, I think he’s one for this month given the trainers comments (unfortunately the 16-1 has just gone);


Barry Connell already has his sights set on a novice chasing campaign with William Munny after confirming the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle runner-up will not run again this season.

Two years on from Connell winning the Cheltenham Festival curtain raiser with his new Champion Chase hero Marine Nationale, history looked like it may repeat itself as the mount of Sean Flanagan stalked Kopek Des Bordes into the home straight and had Willie Mullins’ star novice within reach at the final flight.

The seven-year-old got within two lengths of Kopek Des Bordes but was unable to reel in the heavy favourite, finishing a brave and creditable second in a race fittingly named after Connell’s former stable jockey, the late Michael O’Sullivan.

The Kildare handler feels softer ground in the future would play to his charge’s strengths and having watched him gradually improve over hurdles during the current campaign, he is relishing the prospect of sending William Munny over the larger obstacles next term and returning to Prestbury Park in the spring for a crack at the Arkle.

Connell said: “He ran a super race and I think it was one of the strongest novice races we’ve seen anywhere in the last five years, there was some real strength and depth.

“Without the winner, we would have been a very good six-length winner and he ran a brilliant race.

“He’s a horse who has been doing everything wrong and the penny only dropped for him at Punchestown three weeks before Cheltenham and he then settled well and put in a great round of jumping in the Supreme.

“He’s a horse who is much better on soft ground and it’s a pity the ground was quick on the first couple of days, they were barely making a print in it, and our guy came back quite jarred after the race.

“He definitely will be better with an ease in the ground and he definitely won’t run again this season – he’s had two runs close together and Punchestown (Festival) hardly ever comes up soft.

“The plan is to go novice chasing next season, he’s done his job over hurdles now and we’ll look forward to putting together a campaign and hopefully going back for the Arkle next year.”

[Eggs]

…..personally quite liking 3 of the shouts already;

William Munny (Ark) 12-1
Kitzbuhel (BANC) 20-1
Marine National (CC) 7-1

[RufusFlynn]

Derryhassen Paddy for the BANC at around 25/1.

The yard obviously think massively of him - ran an excellent race on ground that was probably on the quicker side for him.

Will undoubtedly be going chasing next year. Slight risk he goes Ultima if he gets the required runs but I think that given they pitched him in the A.Bartlett then his more likely target is the BANC. Yard have an incredible Cheltenham record in recent years from a small number of runners and have sent Giovinco & Ahoy Senor (both placed) to the Grade 1 Novices race in recent years.

[Eggs]

Derryhassen Paddy for the BANC at around 25/1.

The yard obviously think massively of him - ran an excellent race on ground that was probably on the quicker side for him.

Will undoubtedly be going chasing next year. Slight risk he goes Ultima if he gets the required runs but I think that given they pitched him in the A.Bartlett then his more likely target is the BANC. Yard have an incredible Cheltenham record in recent years from a small number of runners and have sent Giovinco & Ahoy Senor (both placed) to the Grade 1 Novices race in recent years.

….i like him lots and had 100-1 AB, they clearly adore him and he’s in my book already. Still a pleasant 33-1 with 365 (Hills only offer 16-1).