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  • #91
    I'm afraid the game is gone...

    Ante post isn't the same anymore, there is no factor "50" or any sunscreen to protect that the horse will even show up next year! For example Sir Gino Arkle chase 2025, 8/1, im on a good one here, bamg some infection hes outta here!

    Last years Turners winner Grey Dawning, i think good ew shout in Gold Cup, 50/1, you will do me! Brighterdaysahead 10/1 Mares hurdle yes please! (I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON RECORD, IM 100% BEHIND HER GOING CH, NO MATTER MY FINICAIAL POSITION, GREAT FOR SPORT!) Lossie and connections if you do what i think, shame and take the buckets of shite over your heads!

    I'm gitty, 3 more sleeps, ignore me, I'm just talking to myself and talking myself out of backing anything 2026, this time last year I'd those I mentioned and a few other this stage...

    Good luck peeps xoxo

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post
      I'm all in on Kopeck Des Bordes being a Champion Hurdle horse. I don't think Willie will win it this year. BDA will go chasing. And Constitution Hill will be 9. Willie will be looking for a new challenger. The manner of his DRF win reminded me of Faugheen. I really think he could be kept over hurdles. I have been getting what I can on the 16/1 double with Paddy Power over the last couple of weeks.
      I’d be reasonably confident Kopek will be going chasing next season.

      Willie has intimidated it in a few subtle sound bites, and the interview in todays Racing Post with the owners he’s quoted as saying ‘he’ll be electric over a fence’.

      We’ll see of course, but the chasing route is very probable I would suggest.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Big Bucks View Post
        I'm afraid the game is gone...

        Ante post isn't the same anymore, there is no factor "50" or any sunscreen to protect that the horse will even show up next year! For example Sir Gino Arkle chase 2025, 8/1, im on a good one here, bamg some infection hes outta here!

        Last years Turners winner Grey Dawning, i think good ew shout in Gold Cup, 50/1, you will do me! Brighterdaysahead 10/1 Mares hurdle yes please! (I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON RECORD, IM 100% BEHIND HER GOING CH, NO MATTER MY FINICAIAL POSITION, GREAT FOR SPORT!) Lossie and connections if you do what i think, shame and take the buckets of shite over your heads!

        I'm gitty, 3 more sleeps, ignore me, I'm just talking to myself and talking myself out of backing anything 2026, this time last year I'd those I mentioned and a few other this stage...

        Good luck peeps xoxo
        Definitely have to be a lot more selective now than a few years ago

        personally i dont think you can bet antepost in every graded race anymore

        The prices in the championship races (bar the ryanair) are incredibly short from the get go on the ones that you aren't taking a huge leap of faith on

        The bartlett, bumper and triumph are so tough theres no point bothering

        The novice hurdles the prices are so tight you have to be very selective and hope you time the bet correctly on the right one.

        They slash prices so much you almost have no choice to back horses for novice hurdles and chases before you've seen them jump if the horse is with a top stable.

        Their really aren't that many attackable races anymore

        Especially since the turners, NHC and cross country are now handicaps

        So you have to be very crafty and time it right to get a proper value bet on.

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        • #94
          A bit disappointed that all i could find for jonbon ryanair next year is 12s, if Marj wins the Arkle i could see jp wanting jonbon and him split and i could see nicky agreeing as he'd want sir gino jonbon split too. Plus Jonbon would be 10 and nicky already knows he stays....

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Birds Nest View Post
            A bit disappointed that all i could find for jonbon ryanair next year is 12s, if Marj wins the Arkle i could see jp wanting jonbon and him split and i could see nicky agreeing as he'd want sir gino jonbon split too. Plus Jonbon would be 10 and nicky already knows he stays....
            I'm a bit disappointed that you think the QMCC favourite would not be in the QMCC because of the reasons above



            You're wanting a price about Jonbon for the Ryanair 2026, when Cheltenham 2025 is this week

            It's bananas stuff - whatever price you'd get...you can find something that good this week I am certain of it... what price did you hope for?



            I'm trying to work it out ....what do you need to happen?

            Sir Gino come back from injury and be amazing next year .... Majborough to win the Arkle, stay sounds and also be amazing all next year, and Jonbon to what, win the QMCC this year...but not defend it? .... or not win it this year .... so he'd be a bigger price anyway than you'd be hoping for


            all in my humble opinion of course, not meaning to be rude... I've had a beer

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Birds Nest View Post
              A bit disappointed that all i could find for jonbon ryanair next year is 12s, if Marj wins the Arkle i could see jp wanting jonbon and him split and i could see nicky agreeing as he'd want sir gino jonbon split too. Plus Jonbon would be 10 and nicky already knows he stays....
              I think Maj will be stepped up in distance next season.
              Jonbon possibly might be as well, have a feeling they may go for the King George, but probably depends on how Sir Gino recovers.

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              • #97
                I have played a few here for next season, but the one that stands out the most to me is Kopek Des Bordes, but not for the Arkle or the Champion Hurdle, but the BANC.

                You'll need to stay with me here, as to why I think this is a bet, but here it goes.

                Firstly, what Willie has said. The first stable tour we had on the forum from Willie he said the following of Kopek Des Bordes - "A real chasing type for next season, but will spend this season in novice hurdles. He was impressive in the manner he won at Fairyhouse and, although he's by No Risk At All, I would imagine staying will be his game. He's one to look forward to."

                Now to take Willie at face value, for me at least, as diminished somewhat, but I do agree with how he looks, he looks chasing materials, so for that I would be discounting the Champion Hurdle, unless he's ends up not being able to jump a fence of course.

                Secondly, Kopek Des Bordes is bred to actually be more of an intermediate/staying type too, being out of a Cadoudal mare, Cadoudal himself producing the likes of Long Run, Big Bucks, Lacdoudal plus others, and the dam producing her three best horses (outside of Kopek Des Bordes) recording their best RPR's between 2m6f & 3m2f, leaves plenty of scope for improvement for a step up in trip, IMO.

                He may not need a step up in trip and he may just be that good over 2m over a fence that that is where he remains.

                Thirdly, Final Demand aside, Willie is looking like having plenty more options over 2m for next season already, as opposed to the 3m division, Kopek may just be that good that he can turn up and win whichever race he likes, pretty much doing a Ballyburn.

                Lastly, despite having Final Demand, I wouldn't be as keen on him just yet for the BANC, as others seem to be. I think he's vulnerable in the Turners. I also think he could turn out to be ground dependent, when up in class.

                Kopek Des Bordes is a 40/1 shot for the BANC, I think this is worth taking before he runs in the Supreme. Win or lose it's probably going to get cut. Wins and it will naturally be shortened, loses and the cries of needing a step up in trip may be heard.

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                • #98
                  Has a horse running in the supreme with a hood on ever run in the BANC the season after?

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
                    Has a horse running in the supreme with a hood on ever run in the BANC the season after?
                    Probably not.

                    I don't think many go Supreme straight to BANC to be honest. Shaneshill did, but he was beat in the Supreme.

                    Now the intermediate race is out of the equation though it's got me thinking a little outside the box.

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                    • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                      I have played a few here for next season, but the one that stands out the most to me is Kopek Des Bordes, but not for the Arkle or the Champion Hurdle, but the BANC.

                      You'll need to stay with me here, as to why I think this is a bet, but here it goes.

                      Firstly, what Willie has said. The first stable tour we had on the forum from Willie he said the following of Kopek Des Bordes - "A real chasing type for next season, but will spend this season in novice hurdles. He was impressive in the manner he won at Fairyhouse and, although he's by No Risk At All, I would imagine staying will be his game. He's one to look forward to."

                      Now to take Willie at face value, for me at least, as diminished somewhat, but I do agree with how he looks, he looks chasing materials, so for that I would be discounting the Champion Hurdle, unless he's ends up not being able to jump a fence of course.

                      Secondly, Kopek Des Bordes is bred to actually be more of an intermediate/staying type too, being out of a Cadoudal mare, Cadoudal himself producing the likes of Long Run, Big Bucks, Lacdoudal plus others, and the dam producing her three best horses (outside of Kopek Des Bordes) recording their best RPR's between 2m6f & 3m2f, leaves plenty of scope for improvement for a step up in trip, IMO.

                      He may not need a step up in trip and he may just be that good over 2m over a fence that that is where he remains.

                      Thirdly, Final Demand aside, Willie is looking like having plenty more options over 2m for next season already, as opposed to the 3m division, Kopek may just be that good that he can turn up and win whichever race he likes, pretty much doing a Ballyburn.

                      Lastly, despite having Final Demand, I wouldn't be as keen on him just yet for the BANC, as others seem to be. I think he's vulnerable in the Turners. I also think he could turn out to be ground dependent, when up in class.

                      Kopek Des Bordes is a 40/1 shot for the BANC, I think this is worth taking before he runs in the Supreme. Win or lose it's probably going to get cut. Wins and it will naturally be shortened, loses and the cries of needing a step up in trip may be heard.
                      Regardless of what happens in the Turners, I'd say Final Demand is only going up in trip next season over fences. KDB will be an interesting one as it's a case of the eye test versus the pedigree. On paper you'd certainly not rule out the BANC but he's showing the sort of speed and keenness right now that would usually see him stick to the minimum trip, regardless of discipline.

                      My shortlist for next season begins early in this season so I am one of those bonkers people looking ahead all the time. As I'm barely betting these days and not in it for financial gain, the challenge to myself is trying to find the next superstars early on and that's what I take pride in these days. Both those mentioned above were horses I drove the train for from an early stage and whilst I will win nothing from either, I'll give myself a little pat on the back that I'm able to spot the odd good thing from time to time. Not quite the dick swinging levels that darlojim is going to perform if his KDM coup comes in though

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                      • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                        Probably not.

                        I don't think many go Supreme straight to BANC to be honest. Shaneshill did, but he was beat in the Supreme.

                        Now the intermediate race is out of the equation though it's got me thinking a little outside the box.
                        In this case I think you are so far out of the box that you cannot see the box

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                        • The Hills offers look very generous this year. Ballyburn and Gold Cup - 20/1. Final Demand and BANC - 20/1. Con Hill and Champion Hurdle - 6/1. Kopek Des Bordes and Champion Hurdle - 20/1 ... some of the ones that have caught my eye.

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                          • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

                            Not quite the dick swinging levels that darlojim is going to perform if his KDM coup comes in though
                            Could be generational​​​​​​

                            Not long now!

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                            • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                              In this case I think you are so far out of the box that you cannot see the box
                              You can think that.

                              I've stuck my money on my opinion.

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                              • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

                                Regardless of what happens in the Turners, I'd say Final Demand is only going up in trip next season over fences. KDB will be an interesting one as it's a case of the eye test versus the pedigree. On paper you'd certainly not rule out the BANC but he's showing the sort of speed and keenness right now that would usually see him stick to the minimum trip, regardless of discipline.

                                My shortlist for next season begins early in this season so I am one of those bonkers people looking ahead all the time. As I'm barely betting these days and not in it for financial gain, the challenge to myself is trying to find the next superstars early on and that's what I take pride in these days. Both those mentioned above were horses I drove the train for from an early stage and whilst I will win nothing from either, I'll give myself a little pat on the back that I'm able to spot the odd good thing from time to time. Not quite the dick swinging levels that darlojim is going to perform if his KDM coup comes in though
                                Final Demand could be absolutely anything, I don't disagree. I really like him, but staying chasers by Walk In The Park are not to be relied on too much, IMO. They are however slowly working their way back up my in my thoughts with Inothewayurthinkin and Nick Rockett, but still got enough to prove for me.

                                The best WITP's have been over 2m. There may be something in that, it may be absolute tosh, but it's currently the case. Douvan, Jonbon and Min the top 3.

                                I can still see Final Demand being beat in the Turners if it's not soft or worse. I hope I'm wrong, as I've backed him, but I wouldn't be very confident right now. Reminds me more of a Gaillard Du Mesnil than a Faugheen.

                                Ballyburn was touted as being plenty keen enough last season, and admittedly they didn't have to stick a hood on him, but even so, keen enough, yet finds himself EVS for the BANC this season.

                                Time will tell with this. I felt 40/1 was plenty fair enough this far out on a likely Supreme winner. Going to be cut if he wins anyway.

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