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2025 Mares Chase

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  • Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post

    It's a really odd take that she didn't get home last year. She was beaten half a length and was never nearer than at the line. Probably worth watching a replay...
    I've watched it millions of times Benjy. She was ridden like a non stayer and didn't get up to beat a horse that she was rated way ahead of on the day. She should have been winning that easy but wasn't good enough because 2 1/2m was just beyond her around Cheltenham. Big error not to run her in the CC. She'd have won that the form she was in last season. All hindsight though.

    Looks a different horse this year and she'll not be winning anything again imo. I'll definitely be looking elsewhere on the day. At least she'll keep the prices good on the other horses.

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    • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

      I've watched it millions of times Benjy. She was ridden like a non stayer and didn't get up to beat a horse that she was rated way ahead of on the day. She should have been winning that easy but wasn't good enough because 2 1/2m was just beyond her around Cheltenham. Big error not to run her in the CC. She'd have won that the form she was in last season. All hindsight though.

      Looks a different horse this year and she'll not be winning anything again imo. I'll definitely be looking elsewhere on the day. At least she'll keep the prices good on the other horses.
      You don’t just put it down to ground? Haven’t seen the race for a while but it was pretty soft wasn’t it? I know we don’t know this years weather but on normal Cheltenham ground if their is such a thing nowadays I would have had that result reversed. Limerick Lace was having a great season as well and if I recall she was very well backed when the weather turned.

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      • Originally posted by Pigeon Island View Post

        You don’t just put it down to ground? Haven’t seen the race for a while but it was pretty soft wasn’t it? I know we don’t know this years weather but on normal Cheltenham ground if their is such a thing nowadays I would have had that result reversed. Limerick Lace was having a great season as well and if I recall she was very well backed when the weather turned.
        No. She's a Soft ground 2m horse. Just have to look at her record. Can't be hoping we'll get a Spring Ground Fez just for her to get home. Big line through her from me. JP will win it with one of his others. Not a race that gets me that excited though.....

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        • Target confirmed again

          Bioluminescence is on course for a crack at the Mrs Paddy Power Mares’ Chase at the Cheltenham Festival following a fine effort in defeat at Naas yesterday afternoon.

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          • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

            I've watched it millions of times Benjy. She was ridden like a non stayer and didn't get up to beat a horse that she was rated way ahead of on the day. She should have been winning that easy but wasn't good enough because 2 1/2m was just beyond her around Cheltenham. Big error not to run her in the CC. She'd have won that the form she was in last season. All hindsight though.

            Looks a different horse this year and she'll not be winning anything again imo. I'll definitely be looking elsewhere on the day. At least she'll keep the prices good on the other horses.
            Fair enough. I agree she was ridden quiet to try help her stay. But I think she had no problem staying and would've actually won with a more positive ride. She's struggling to make up the ground quick enough in those conditions would be my take. I don't see how the actual running could be seen as not staying on the day.

            Her first run this season was better than her first run last season on ratings also. It's one run you're judging her on, which was a disappointing one for a lot of runners in that race to be honest. I'd be willing to draw a line through it.

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            • Be interesting to know what the finishing speeds were for Dinoblue & Limerick Lace if anyone has them, would’ve thought that would give a fair idea to whether she stayed or not.

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              • Originally posted by Stormez View Post
                Be interesting to know what the finishing speeds were for Dinoblue & Limerick Lace if anyone has them, would’ve thought that would give a fair idea to whether she stayed or not.
                Limerick lace 104.69%
                dinoblue 104.75%

                Dinoblue ran the final furlong quicker than anything else in the race. Quicker by 0.29 seconds than the winner.
                The final 6f overall Limerick lace was 0.1secs quicker than dinoblue.


                Simon Rowlands analysis

                DINOBLUE (c151+ here, 158 previously) was not quite at her best but seemed to get the trip in testing conditions and might have managed to force her head in front ridden with similar enterprise to the winner, improving from the rear 3 out but 2 to 3 lengths down after the next and never quite getting closer than the three quarters of a length by which she was beaten

                Last edited by AaronLad; Yesterday, 11:36 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Stormez View Post
                  Be interesting to know what the finishing speeds were for Dinoblue & Limerick Lace if anyone has them, would’ve thought that would give a fair idea to whether she stayed or not.
                  Just for future reference for yourself/anyone else, a large number of races are available on attheraces.

                  This is the link I'm assuming AaronLad used: https://www.attheraces.com/racecard/...arch-2024/1650

                  I've recently started loooking into those finishing speeds as a simple measure of how much of a staying test a race was. No idea how accurate I'll be when using them as haven't placed a bet off them, but it's interesting none the less

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                  • Be tough to get to a conclusion of not staying from that data but I'm looking forward to it.

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                    • How are we still debating this 10 month later?
                      ​​​​​​Course she stayed.

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                      • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
                        How are we still debating this 10 month later?
                        ​​​​​​Course she stayed.
                        Ha ha, seconded. No problems with the trip for me. As with all races, you see what you want to suit the horses you fancy.

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                        • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
                          How are we still debating this 10 month later?
                          ​​​​​​Course she stayed.
                          Lobos still needs convincing

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                          • Originally posted by AaronLad View Post

                            Lobos still needs convincing
                            Im shocked..

                            Did she finish as close as she was at any point in the race to Limerick Lace? YES

                            Did she put distance between herself and the 3rd? YES
                            ​​​​​
                            Even my love for RPRs/finishing speeds say she finished fastest.

                            Was she, however, given a stones of a ride? ABSOLUTELY
                            ​​​​​
                            Case closed.

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                            • I think she got the trip no bother - not her optimal trip but she stayed fine.

                              On better ground i think she'd have won cosily.

                              She lost by less than a length, giving away 5lbs & was closing at the line on proper testing ground - ultimately the Grade 1 weight penalty cost her.

                              Odd that they have removed it for the Mares Novice and Mares Hurdle but not this.

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                              • Originally posted by AaronLad View Post

                                Limerick lace 104.69%
                                dinoblue 104.75%

                                Dinoblue ran the final furlong quicker than anything else in the race. Quicker by 0.29 seconds than the winner.
                                The final 6f overall Limerick lace was 0.1secs quicker than dinoblue.


                                Simon Rowlands analysis

                                DINOBLUE (c151+ here, 158 previously) was not quite at her best but seemed to get the trip in testing conditions and might have managed to force her head in front ridden with similar enterprise to the winner, improving from the rear 3 out but 2 to 3 lengths down after the next and never quite getting closer than the three quarters of a length by which she was beaten
                                That's a lot of effort to demonstrate Lobos is talking bollocks.
                                Anyone can see watching the race that she stayed on just fine, just got done on the day by a better positioned horse who stayed on just well enough to win.
                                That is racing.

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