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2025 Stayers Hurdle

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  • Or PP know something we don't and they are skipping the Festival!

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    • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
      Or PP know something we don't and they are skipping the Festival!
      Which would make perfect sense as 2 and a half m is his distance and Aintree is his race, much like your namesake (nearly)a few years ago

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      • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

        Which would make perfect sense as 2 and a half m is his distance and Aintree is his race, much like your namesake (nearly)a few years ago
        Yes we were convinced that was going to be his race. Sadly he just wasn't himself on the day. What might have been

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        • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post

          Yes we were convinced that was going to be his race. Sadly he just wasn't himself on the day. What might have been
          You were involved with him?
          Hence your name I guess then

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          • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

            You were involved with him?
            Hence your name I guess then
            Yes indeed. Halcyon days... Him beating (an albeit past it) Brave Inca and Hardy Eustace in the Hattons Grace was an unbelievable day. Had a very good run as we got his half brother shortly after Cash and Go who won the Future Champions Novice Hurdle too. Not often small owners will own back to back Grade One winners! Didn't get much luck with the next few so called it a day as an owner, but hopefully have another go at some point in the future...

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            • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post

              Yes indeed. Halcyon days... Him beating (an albeit past it) Brave Inca and Hardy Eustace in the Hattons Grace was an unbelievable day. Had a very good run as we got his half brother shortly after Cash and Go who won the Future Champions Novice Hurdle too. Not often small owners will own back to back Grade One winners! Didn't get much luck with the next few so called it a day as an owner, but hopefully have another go at some point in the future...
              Great stuff, and great memories for you.
              Love that.

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              • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
                I cant really work out why Bob Olinger got pushed out by PP to 66/1 following his run last week.

                Home By The Lee is a solid yardstick and was only beaten 6l in this race last year. Considering BO was giving him 5lbs at the weekend, I thought, whilst it was mildly disappointing he couldn't win, it was also a very respectable seasonal debut.

                There are an awful lot of horses above him in the betting who won't be running in this, and whilst it does have the whiff of a value loser, I think its completely the wrong price.
                I think no chance he comes here if Teahupoo is fit and Paddy suspend cashout around new year so people can't get out in that eventuality.

                All that said, I took some of the 66/1 as I would have been more pissed off missing the price than probably losing the 1.5 points

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                • Originally posted by Birds Nest View Post

                  Will be watching this one closely on Saturday, thanks for flagging up.
                  what do you think about Gordon sending The Wallpark down the stayers route, or 152 not much to find to trouble the front few there, long walk nxt for him.
                  The wallpark has improved hugely, and he's only had the 1 run over 3 miles so I'd suggest he's still unexposed and could have the required improvement.
                  If the long walk is the intended next target, it gives gordon the opportunity to find out if hes good enough, if he isnt , then they'd still have an opportunity to aim for the peremps you'd think.
                  He's certainly one to keep an eye on.

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                  • He was very, very impressive in the Pertemps qualifier. Nowhere near reached his ceiling yet. He is a graded horse for sure, just not sure which grade

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                    • That went very well

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                      • Originally posted by AaronLad View Post
                        I'm over the moon to have seen Lucky place declared for the Ascot hurdle on Saturday.
                        He's had a chase entry and Nicky Henderson gave mixed messages in his stable tours about this fella so it's pleasing to see he's staying hurdling.

                        I like to try and identify novices from the previous season that stay hurdling and have the potential to make up in to grade 1 class over staying distances, it's a little less obvious than a champion hurdler coming through from the novices, and it can become a good puzzle to crack. Last season I identified crambo as the 'one' I believed had the potential to become a grade 1 winner over 3 miles, he duly obliged, although was disappointing in the stayers hurdle and went In to that category of 'value loser'.

                        This season I think the 'one' could be lucky place.
                        His novice form is pretty damn good, he meets golden ace on Saturday, 10lbs better off for a 3/4length defeat the only time they have met, the price difference between the 2 for Saturday is something I've taken full advantage of.
                        His coral cup run for a novice was fantastic, looked to be closest at the finish, travelled beautifully throughout his races last season and looks an ideal type to relish 3 miles. Related to a midlands national winner on the dam side, i think stamina could be a real asset to this horse.

                        I got him added a few weeks ago, 33/1 was a bit of a shock, I was hoping for much bigger.
                        Hopefully a wtaf price can be around for saturday.
                        Buzz won the Ascot hurdle a few years ago, Henderson made comments afterwards about looking to go down the stayers route, he went pretty short afterwards, im hoping for the same saturday with lucky place.
                        Thanks for posting this AL
                        Could be a good shout mate

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                        • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                          Thanks for posting this AL
                          Could be a good shout mate
                          Yeah, I'd like to think the natural next step will be the long walk next month.
                          plenty more to come over 3 miles

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                          • Originally posted by AaronLad View Post

                            Yeah, I'd like to think the natural next step will be the long walk next month.
                            plenty more to come over 3 miles
                            Yes, his next entry will be interesting

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                            • Originally posted by AaronLad View Post
                              I'm over the moon to have seen Lucky place declared for the Ascot hurdle on Saturday.
                              He's had a chase entry and Nicky Henderson gave mixed messages in his stable tours about this fella so it's pleasing to see he's staying hurdling.

                              I like to try and identify novices from the previous season that stay hurdling and have the potential to make up in to grade 1 class over staying distances, it's a little less obvious than a champion hurdler coming through from the novices, and it can become a good puzzle to crack. Last season I identified crambo as the 'one' I believed had the potential to become a grade 1 winner over 3 miles, he duly obliged, although was disappointing in the stayers hurdle and went In to that category of 'value loser'.

                              This season I think the 'one' could be lucky place.
                              His novice form is pretty damn good, he meets golden ace on Saturday, 10lbs better off for a 3/4length defeat the only time they have met, the price difference between the 2 for Saturday is something I've taken full advantage of.
                              His coral cup run for a novice was fantastic, looked to be closest at the finish, travelled beautifully throughout his races last season and looks an ideal type to relish 3 miles. Related to a midlands national winner on the dam side, i think stamina could be a real asset to this horse.

                              I got him added a few weeks ago, 33/1 was a bit of a shock, I was hoping for much bigger.
                              Hopefully a wtaf price can be around for saturday.
                              Buzz won the Ascot hurdle a few years ago, Henderson made comments afterwards about looking to go down the stayers route, he went pretty short afterwards, im hoping for the same saturday with lucky place.
                              Great shout that mate.

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                              • Nico de Boinville was on top and said of the winner: “He’s gutsy and he doesn’t like getting beaten. He travelled so sweetly and jumped well. We went steady and he was quite happy going that.”
                                Henderson said: “That was plan B, he was meant to be going novice chasing he’s only five so we brought him back into here.

                                “The big question is where is his trip? We are going to have to find out if he stays three (miles).

                                “Two and a half miles over fences works well but two and a half over hurdles doesn’t work so well. The Relkeel (Cheltenham) could be the stepping stone for him. I think fences are going to have to wait until next season.”

                                This is taken from attheraces.
                                Relkeel and then hopefully on to the stayers

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