2025 Stayers Hurdle

[Black Dog]

Not even Dynamo could pull that one off!

Dynamo Dan...I like it!

[Lobos]

Sire Du Berlais won the Pertemps off 152.......

[Istabraq]

Is it just me or does anyone else think he'll somehow end up in a Handicap at the Fez.....

Near zero chance I'm afraid.
He worked miracles hiding the horses ability for three years to be fair...

[charlie]

The play for me here is Irish Point @ 12/1. I think he'll stay hurdling. If I am right I can see that price halving, possibly worse so might take it now. Lots of pots to be won with him hurdling and we know Teahupoo will be campaigned sparingly which is good for the owners on both fronts. Little splits him on ratings with the fav. He's unexposed over a trip but has already won a Grade 1 over 3m emphatically. He's 6 going on 7 and I think we could see plenty of improvement from him. That run in the CH was a blinder over a trip too sharp and his run at Punchestown was even better. Unlike his stable mate, he's not ground dependent but has won over 3m on heavy. At 6 times the price of the fav and reigning champ, I just think he's the wrong price in what looks a piss weak market.

[TigerRolllllll]

Raised this previously I think ….what do we think will be Willie’s dart(s) At this

Only ones that might have chance I can see in exchange list at mo….

High Class Hero - def of interest
Impaire Et Passe - said to be going fencing, but not impossible
Monkfish - was target owner wanted last season, but doubt good enough
saint Sam - not good enough ?

Any better ideas? Surely he will have something - prob 2-3

[Lobos]

High Class Hero for me as well. Small bit of me thinks Dancing City might go for it.

[Kautostar]

High Class Hero for me as well. Small bit of me thinks Dancing City might go for it.

Majborough?

[Lobos]

Majborough?

Possibly if he stays over hurdles but Willie did seem very keen on doing a F2F with him.

[darlojim]

f2f went bumpers - chasing Lobos..

[Lobos]

f2f went bumpers - chasing Lobos..

Yeah, just meant doesn't want to mess about Hurdling when he's ready for the big ones already.

[Yosser]

Chapeau De Soleil?

[Lobos]

Champ Kiely?

[Fouroverthrutwo]

Chapeau De Soleil?

I think NHC for this fella.

[charlie]

I do wonder if Crambo represents some value at 66/1. If you paused his career pre Cheltenham, its reads well. He won comfortably on debut at Aintree and would have won at Haydock were it not from a poor ride where he was giving a stone to a couple of Irish raiders, but he stayed on well and probably would have won in another 100 yards carrying near enough top weight. He then went and won the Long Walk hurdle as a 6yo so I am looking at him thinking he should be 3/3. If you look at the Stayers market I think there are only 4 British trained horses ahead of him that are likely to stay in the division and I can envisage a scenario where he rises to the fore on this side of the Irish Sea and shortens massively. In a market thats muddled that I'm not sure what to do with, I think a back to lay play could make a lot of sense and if you're a book builder I would absolutely be playing him that way (currently 75's on Betfair). The elephant in the room is the wheels came off at Cheltenham and Aintree which is why he's 66/1, so you need to able to forgive those runs and I appreciate that forgiving poor runs at big festivals is hard thing to do and not one that makes for particularly successful ante post punting, but forgiving poor runs with excuses can. I don't think he had any real excuse in the stayers. He went off 7/1 which was the shortest price of English trained challengers and finished 14L behind the winner. It was his first ever run at Cheltenham which makes me more forgiving, and I can forgive any horse at a massive price for bombing post Cheltenham providing they've ran to a high level pre-Cheltenham which I think he did because he should have been 3/3 and won a Grade 1 over 3m. The stayers is a race that does produce winners that have bombed or failed in previous years too, so all things considered a point at 75's might not be a terrible idea.

[Yosser]

I do wonder if Crambo represents some value at 66/1. If you paused his career pre Cheltenham, its reads well. He won comfortably on debut at Aintree and would have won at Haydock were it not from a poor ride where he was giving a stone to a couple of Irish raiders, but he stayed on well and probably would have won in another 100 yards carrying near enough top weight. He then went and won the Long Walk hurdle as a 6yo so I am looking at him thinking he should be 3/3. If you look at the Stayers market I think there are only 4 British trained horses ahead of him that are likely to stay in the division and I can envisage a scenario where he rises to the fore on this side of the Irish Sea and shortens massively. In a market thats muddled that I'm not sure what to do with, I think a back to lay play could make a lot of sense and if you're a book builder I would absolutely be playing him that way (currently 75's on Betfair). The elephant in the room is the wheels came off at Cheltenham and Aintree which is why he's 66/1, so you need to able to forgive those runs and I appreciate that forgiving poor runs at big festivals is hard thing to do and not one that makes for particularly successful ante post punting, but forgiving poor runs with excuses can. I don't think he had any real excuse in the stayers. He went off 7/1 which was the shortest price of English trained challengers and finished 14L behind the winner. It was his first ever run at Cheltenham which makes me more forgiving, and I can forgive any horse at a massive price for bombing post Cheltenham providing they've ran to a high level pre-Cheltenham which I think he did because he should have been 3/3 and won a Grade 1 over 3m. The stayers is a race that does produce winners that have bombed or failed in previous years too, so all things considered a point at 75's might not be a terrible idea.

I have got him in the book for some EW money. I saw no reason not to. He will most likely be aimed at the race, a year older and stronger and it's a race that lacks depth (at this stage) I thought it was a no brainer, especially if something were to happen to Teahupoo.