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Was going to ask plans on that horse but then looked at the ped - Too Darn Hot so didnt bother
What's the concern with Too Darn Hot? Other than being completely unproven as a NH sire I'm probably missing something related but I'm no expert in this.
What's the concern with Too Darn Hot? Other than being completely unproven as a NH sire I'm probably missing something related but I'm no expert in this.
At least he wasn't a sprinter...
I'm no expert either mate, but as a sire that is producing flat milers, he has it all to do as a NH sire, I'd personally rather see him produce some proven NH horses first. But on Naturally Nimble, the dam/dam sire hasn't produced anything of note really too.
I'm no expert either mate, but as a sire that is producing flat milers, he has it all to do as a NH sire, I'd personally rather see him produce some proven NH horses first. But on Naturally Nimble, the dam/dam sire hasn't produced anything of note really too.
Thanks mate. You're an expert to me
Watching brief then. Just thought connections might be looking to repeat in the Boodles. Nothing more than that.
I've backed him, one at a decent enough price too, so it's not a case of that for me at all.
Nietzsche Has was made out to be the crack juvenile in France this season and has form ties with Willy De Houelle, among others. The form was let down, whichever way it is spun. It's certainly not a positive that he got beat, is it?
I'm not saying it suddenly means Willy De Houelle can't win the Triumph, because that's simply not true, but the case for him was largely based around the form with Nietzsche Has, which was let down.
Sorry I'm so slow to respond to this, but I have no problem with Nietzsche Has being turned over. He's the bast juvenile in France but I backed against him last week.
Marcel Rolland never has them fit first time. Knowing this Manuel Seror already had the perfect line on Nietzsche with Rooster Crowing, and still chose to run Djin's who was a good winner at Auteuil in the Summer. Clearly they regarded him as better than Rooster Crowing, and rolled the dice in this race knowing that Nietzsche wouldn't be fully wound up.
I'd also add that Philipperon also rode him in the worst of the ground, which probably exaggerated the winning distance. Essentially he didn't get home because he blew up two out.
Rolland ran Jigme in the same race ahead of his Autumn season last year too, and he was also turned over despite being easily the best juvenile in France.
I'm not suggesting that Willie du Houelle is any sort of interesting price at 7/1, but I certainly wouldn't be using that race as a reason to pull his form down.
Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.
Sorry I'm so slow to respond to this, but I have no problem with Nietzsche Has being turned over. He's the bast juvenile in France but I backed against him last week.
Marcel Rolland never has them fit first time. Knowing this Manuel Seror already had the perfect line on Nietzsche with Rooster Crowing, and still chose to run Djin's who was a good winner at Auteuil in the Summer. Clearly they regarded him as better than Rooster Crowing, and rolled the dice in this race knowing that Nietzsche wouldn't be fully wound up.
I'd also add that Philipperon also rode him in the worst of the ground, which probably exaggerated the winning distance. Essentially he didn't get home because he blew up two out.
Rolland ran Jigme in the same race ahead of his Autumn season last year too, and he was also turned over despite being easily the best juvenile in France.
I'm not suggesting that Willie du Houelle is any sort of interesting price at 7/1, but I certainly wouldn't be using that race as a reason to pull his form down.
You may well be correct, regarding Rolland, though it wasn't even something I had considered, that said, I probably never would have either, as French trainers habits are far from something I really keep an eye on to be honest.
Horse form and breeding are my go to, but definitely not the trainers
As I said, it was never intended to sound like WDH can't win the Triumph, I'm not that foolish, but from a form only perspective, looking in, it's far from ideal.
FWIW Benjy, plan is hurdling for NN all being well..
Thanks mate. Will keep an eye on him. You'd think he may be popular for the FW at same stage, if showing anything at all. But I appreciate your reservations around sire.
I watched the video of Stencil’s Compiegne run last week, was impressed enough to have a small play 25/1, not convinced that price will be around for long….
I watched the video of Stencil’s Compiegne run last week, was impressed enough to have a small play 25/1, not convinced that price will be around for long….
It's obviously very early days and he did look a class apart on his debut - but the form isn't exactly looking remotely strong from that race.
the 2nd - Titi de Paris has been beaten out of sight in a juve race and then was 2nd in a weak enough hcap yesterday
3rd - Kaballero has since PU and then last of 7 finishers at Dieppe.
4th - Moty Marc has ran half a dozen times since performing admirably with a couple wins at Fontainebleu, well beat in the Listed Des Platanes and then 3rd in the Robert Lejeune (race fit)
5th - yet to run again
6th - Vador Du Berlais was well held in his only run since behind Maitre En Science and Kotkidina.
The obvious caveat is that he can only beat whats infront of him, hopefully he'll get the dec for Thursday as there is a small amount of depth in that race.
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