2025 Triumph Hurdle

[Lobos]

Palladium wouldn't get near the top 4 or 5 in the betting in the Triumph so I think actually it only boils down to Salvator Mundi making the Supreme or not now.

Yeah , long odds in he goes Triumph. Palladium would have to pull out a Lulamba type win in the Adonis to make them think. Two really good bullets to win a Supreme over a Triumph could be tempting though. Wouldn't want that though as he would be a danger to Mundi in what looks a poor Opener.

[Kevloaf]

You want to be backing him NRNB for the Fred Winter though too surely

Was on the right side of that myself ... just checked the price, jeeeez!

Oops,. thought that was in your diary Istabraq

Up the Stencil

[Kevloaf]

In my opinion, I look at it like this

Do I think EID is a better horse than Burdett road as a juvenile? No

Do I think lulamba would beat burdett road as a juvenile? Yes

That's fair enough, just the opposite of what the figures do actually say

Lulamba was 132 and Burdett Road 133

and East India Dock 143





The 7/2 and 7/4 are the wrong way round really .... very hard not to be impressed, I think you have to really want to not see it

[Quevega]

That's fair enough, just the opposite of what the figures do actually say

Lulamba was 132 and Burdett Road 133

and East India Dock 143





The 7/2 and 7/4 are the wrong way round really .... very hard not to be impressed, I think you have to really want to not see it

I thought it was a strange way of looking at it full stop.
Never mind the opinion Burdett Road was better at that stage of their respective careers

[darlojim]

Was on the right side of that myself ... just checked the price, jeeeez!

Oops,. thought that was in your diary Istabraq

Up the Stencil

Was he hiding much yesterday though in the end :/ ? His keenness doesn't help his finishing effort.

Will say the old track looks like it would suit him more which hasn't been commented on.

[Zachx02]

That's fair enough, just the opposite of what the figures do actually say

Lulamba was 132 and Burdett Road 133

and East India Dock 143





The 7/2 and 7/4 are the wrong way round really .... very hard not to be impressed, I think you have to really want to not see it

Don't get me wrong, he did look good and I don't have a penny on either of them!

[Istabraq]

Was on the right side of that myself ... just checked the price, jeeeez!

Oops,. thought that was in your diary Istabraq

Up the Stencil

Hindsight and all that lol.
The Fred Winter isn't a race I can bring myself to get involved with until much nearer the time, they're basically all horses who have manipulated their way to a mark for the race because they're not good enough for a Triumph.
20 years they've had the race and I can't think of a horse who's gone on to win a decent race, Brazil maybe ?
Horrible race.
Wait until preview season kicks in, there'll be 15 put up for the race...

[fatherjohn]

Was he hiding much yesterday though in the end :/ ? His keenness doesn't help his finishing effort.

Will say the old track looks like it would suit him more which hasn't been commented on.

I dont think he has to hide anything given the rating suggests he already has performed to a level good enough to win a triumph. he's not hit at any point so there maybe more there and jockeys comments suggested there is.

[darlojim]

I dont think he has to hide anything given the rating suggests he already has performed to a level good enough to win a triumph. he's not hit at any point so there maybe more there and jockeys comments suggested there is.

Need something in hand to win a Boodles with what will be plotted there. Can't have that his rating would win him a Triumph like but we'll not get into the ratings debate.

What did James say I didn't see that?

[Runragged]

I dont think he has to hide anything given the rating suggests he already has performed to a level good enough to win a triumph. he's not hit at any point so there maybe more there and jockeys comments suggested there is.

I think Darlojim is referring to Stencil not EID?

[Kevloaf]

Was he hiding much yesterday though in the end :/ ? His keenness doesn't help his finishing effort.

Will say the old track looks like it would suit him more which hasn't been commented on.

I think when his chance was gone there was plenty of arm waving, as most of the JP beaten horses seem to have

I wouldn't back him as favourite for the Fred Winter, but I took 12 NRNB when mentioned last week and can't be unhappy getting on the right side of SP as a general rule

[Kevloaf]

Might cash Charlus out after that

Just not winning a Triumph is he

[ComplyOrDie]

Charlus, another that won't be winning a Triumph.

Good enough on debut but it turned into a bit of a sprint. First 2-3f they were absolutely crawling.

He needed it to be ran like that to win, IMO, too. Was dead against him anyway as per previous chats on here.

[darlojim]

I think when his chance was gone there was plenty of arm waving, as most of the JP beaten horses seem to have

I wouldn't back him as favourite for the Fred Winter, but I took 12 NRNB when mentioned last week and can't be unhappy getting on the right side of SP as a general rule

Yeah I was shocked he was shortened so much in the market after the run myself, not like he was held up then finished well for instance, but 12s Nrnb aint bad.

I'll give you the one when the time is right though

[fatherjohn]

I think Darlojim is referring to Stencil not EID?

yeah sorry I got confused there!