2025 Triumph Hurdle

[DenmanSacre]

Don't worry, not all horses can be rated 89 on the flat and hurdle as well as him.

Rated 89 over 2m on the flat so you could argue he's not shown the speed on the flat to do it over shorter. Not sure the flat rating or form really means much when we get to the Festival anyway, especially when comparing them to the French hurdlers. Burdett Road was rated 101 and Sir Gino pulverised him. Mondo Man rated even higher, was keen but he hurdled well and Lulamba swatted him away. What rating would some of those really good French juvenile hurdlers get on the flat?

For me, EID is the type that's going to have to take it from the front, make it a test and outstay them. They do win the Triumph sometimes and he's not without his merits - he's definitely the right 2nd favourite at this moment and I'm sure some think he should be favourite.

But sometimes you get those French bred horses who jump well, sit in behind the pace and when you ask them to lengthen, they just make those British and Irish flat horses turned hurdlers look one paced. Unfortunately for EID, we've got at least one of those looking likely to turn up this year.

Lulamba's also already won over 2m2 at Auteuil - he'll do the 2m1 at Cheltenham no problem. EID might just set it up for him.

I might be wrong but I've not been tempted by EID at higher prices and I'm not tempted now. If Lulamba doesn't make it, then I'll be waiting until the day and I still don't think I'd be tempted by EID at what would likely be a short price.

[fatherjohn]

I went into the race thinking east India dock was likely to be shown up but changed my view after watching at a fabulous day at cheltenham. thought took sting out of the others from a good way out and quickened again when asked after the last. the time of the race suggests it was a good performance and that sets the standard for me.

[Runragged]

Rated 89 over 2m on the flat so you could argue he's not shown the speed on the flat to do it over shorter. Not sure the flat rating or form really means much when we get to the Festival anyway, especially when comparing them to the French hurdlers. Burdett Road was rated 101 and Sir Gino pulverised him. Mondo Man rated even higher, was keen but he hurdled well and Lulamba swatted him away. What rating would some of those really good French juvenile hurdlers get on the flat?

For me, EID is the type that's going to have to take it from the front, make it a test and outstay them. They do win the Triumph sometimes and he's not without his merits - he's definitely the right 2nd favourite at this moment and I'm sure some think he should be favourite.

But sometimes you get those French bred horses who jump well, sit in behind the pace and when you ask them to lengthen, they just make those British and Irish flat horses turned hurdlers look one paced. Unfortunately for EID, we've got at least one of those looking likely to turn up this year.

Lulamba's also already won over 2m2 at Auteuil - he'll do the 2m1 at Cheltenham no problem. EID might just set it up for him.

I might be wrong but I've not been tempted by EID at higher prices and I'm not tempted now. If Lulamba doesn't make it, then I'll be waiting until the day and I still don't think I'd be tempted by EID at what would likely be a short price.

Burdett Road never hurdled anywhere near as well as this horse. I think we are seeing something unique. A good flat horse who hurdles for fun. I know it is something that doesn't come along very often and the norm is the French Bred horse but EID looks very good. Stencil is rated 67 in France and just been beaten by 10 lengths. Think we are looking close to Sir Gino in ratings when they come out.

Be a fascinating clash either way at Cheltenham from two horses with very different backgrounds (Possibly even 3 if Hello Neighbour was to win at the DRF being very lightly raced on the flat in Ireland, and not discounting the fillies Lady Vega Allen and Sainte Lucie)

[fatherjohn]

I expect to be knocked for even trying to compare different years racing...but will stuck my neck out anyway.
ground today was soft(good to soft). same as defi de Seuil in 2017 on same race won in 4m17.

ground for sir gino last year was good to soft and he ran 4m13

east India ran 4m10 without being pushed all out. I think you can expect improvement for a lot of other runners but until they show that improvement there's a question mark there

[JackieMoon33]

Don't worry, not all horses can be rated 89 on the flat and hurdle as well as him.

Hello Neighbour: Hold my beer.

before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, that was tongue in cheek as you couldn’t see him through the fog.

[Guinness Village]

Ooh. Sainte juice will pop up next weekend
show me the magic!!

[Lobos]

For me, EID should be fav for the Triumph. That was very impressive watching it in the flesh. He's won in the old course, the New course, on quick ground, on soft ground and beaten everything in a canter. Jumps brilliant, travels brilliant, stays, loads left. He's just very, very good. Ultra impressed.

[Zachx02]

In my opinion, I look at it like this

Do I think EID is a better horse than Burdett road as a juvenile? No

Do I think lulamba would beat burdett road as a juvenile? Yes

[ComplyOrDie]

For me, EID should be fav for the Triumph. That was very impressive watching it in the flesh. He's won in the old course, the New course, on quick ground, on soft ground and beaten everything in a canter. Jumps brilliant, travels brilliant, stays, loads left. He's just very, very good. Ultra impressed.

As much as I was a doubter, it's hard not to be impressed with his performances. I'm glad he's come out and done it again though.

Whether Stencil is a good enough form line I've no idea but he's not going to be a million miles away that's for sure.

[fatherjohn]

As much as I was a doubter, it's hard not to be impressed with his performances. I'm glad he's come out and done it again though.

Whether Stencil is a good enough form line I've no idea but he's not going to be a million miles away that's for sure.

timeform on EID
"East India Dock isn't the most imposing physically, which might become a factor in the longer term. For now, he sets a high standard among the juvenile ranks, his provisional Timeform rating already good enough to have won any running of the Triumph this decade."

[YoungHustler]

timeform on EID
"East India Dock isn't the most imposing physically, which might become a factor in the longer term. For now, he sets a high standard among the juvenile ranks, his provisional Timeform rating already good enough to have won any running of the Triumph this decade."

I think Andy Holding also said that EID had already achieved the speed figures he calculates would have won the last 10 Triumphs and this was before yesterday.

I'm unlucky to not be on either so won't have any cash interest in the race but it's definitely one I'm looking forward. Preference would be for Lulamba. I just think there's still loads to come from him.

[DenmanSacre]

For those who like RPRs EID given 142 and Stencil 132. Sure they'll give EID some more for ease of victory.

[Lobos]

As much as I was a doubter, it's hard not to be impressed with his performances. I'm glad he's come out and done it again though.

Whether Stencil is a good enough form line I've no idea but he's not going to be a million miles away that's for sure.

Not just Stencil. The horses well beaten in behind were all winners so for me he has the form in the book whereas Lulamba has serious potential. There is the Supreme/Palladium doubt hanging over Lulamba as well which for me makes EID the better betting proposition at current Prices.

[Lobos]

timeform on EID
"East India Dock isn't the most imposing physically, which might become a factor in the longer term. For now, he sets a high standard among the juvenile ranks, his provisional Timeform rating already good enough to have won any running of the Triumph this decade."

He looks every inch a Juvenile in the flesh which is why winning at the Festival this year is the ultimate prize as he may not progress going into open company.

[ComplyOrDie]

Not just Stencil. The horses well beaten in behind were all winners so for me he has the form in the book whereas Lulamba has serious potential. There is the Supreme/Palladium doubt hanging over Lulamba as well which for me makes EID the better betting proposition at current Prices.

Palladium wouldn't get near the top 4 or 5 in the betting in the Triumph so I think actually it only boils down to Salvator Mundi making the Supreme or not now.