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  • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

    It makes him an each way bet

    Losing in the Fred Winter still feels like a blemish, but you are right in theory, two festivals and a record of 21

    He's quite an annoying gap for me

    ...and even more annoying I actually don't fancy him on ground that isn't soft or worse


    He's the exact kind of horse that if he won, as the previous seasons Arkle winner, winning the QMCC, I'd be furious

    I think I'll leave it though and if he wins I'll just go back and re-do the research on previous festival form as a blind rule
    3 Festivals Kev.

    Actually believe we'll see a run of money for him now. Reckon he'll go off 2nd fav and yes, Paul will ride him imo. Arkle winners record in the race is simply superb and his win last March was very easy.

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    • Jaysus
      I need a lie down!

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      • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

        3 Festivals Kev.

        Actually believe we'll see a run of money for him now. Reckon he'll go off 2nd fav and yes, Paul will ride him imo. Arkle winners record in the race is simply superb and his win last March was very easy.
        Possible he might get backed if the going was similar to his win last year ie soft/heavy. Otherwise it’s daft to think that on his form this season and the expected ground next week.
        As said before I expect PT will see how they are at home this week and then choose. Be surprised if he’s not almost made his mind up to ride Energ, he’s proven at this level, GW is not,and has looked in better form this season.

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        • 50/1 about the reigning champion is too big.

          Other than when brought down two out in the Supreme (going well at the time), he's never been outside the first 3 at Cheltenham. It's easy to put a line through his form through the winter on crap ground as he's a different horse on spring ground at Cheltenham.

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          • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
            50/1 about the reigning champion is too big.

            Other than when brought down two out in the Supreme (going well at the time), he's never been outside the first 3 at Cheltenham. It's easy to put a line through his form through the winter on crap ground as he's a different horse on spring ground at Cheltenham.
            Where’s the 50 FM?
            Sorry…..Found it !!

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            • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

              Where’s the 50 FM?
              Sorry…..Found it !!
              365 ante post

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              • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                365 ante post
                Yep, cheers Kev

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                • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
                  50/1 about the reigning champion is too big.

                  Other than when brought down two out in the Supreme (going well at the time), he's never been outside the first 3 at Cheltenham. It's easy to put a line through his form through the winter on crap ground as he's a different horse on spring ground at Cheltenham.
                  Not crabbing the horse or bet.
                  But the spring ground bit ??
                  He's a different horse when no other horse of consequence finishes the race more like.

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                  • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                    Not crabbing the horse or bet.
                    But the spring ground bit ??
                    He's a different horse when no other horse of consequence finishes the race more like.
                    Maybe not spring ground, more like the spring...

                    He'll hopefully run his race and that'll put him in the mix for a place. The last couple of seasons he's won a CC and finished second to Banbridge, Energumene and Jonbon in the spring.

                    I'm not saying he'll win, bit he's a solid enough option at that price. There might not even be 8 runners.

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                    • Solness still being overlooked, mostly on the preview nights, IMO.

                      It seems to me that many just think he's a handicapper who has got lucky getting away from them on the front end, but need I remind you of a certain Flooring Porter, who was rated 105 at one point, before adopting front running tactics, and it took him all the way to winning two Stayers Hurdles.

                      I do think the change of tactics for Solness has made him a different, that and better ground, which almost looks a certainty currently.

                      He's beat Marine Nationale & Gaelic Warrior twice this season already, yet finds himself bigger in price still.

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                      • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                        Solness still being overlooked, mostly on the preview nights, IMO.

                        It seems to me that many just think he's a handicapper who has got lucky getting away from them on the front end, but need I remind you of a certain Flooring Porter, who was rated 105 at one point, before adopting front running tactics, and it took him all the way to winning two Stayers Hurdles.

                        I do think the change of tactics for Solness has made him a different, that and better ground, which almost looks a certainty currently.

                        He's beat Marine Nationale & Gaelic Warrior twice this season already, yet finds himself bigger in price still.
                        Yep, should not be ignored at all imo
                        When a horse does similar again it’s no fluke.
                        Should probably be 2nd fav.
                        Glad I’ve got him onside.

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                        • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                          Solness still being overlooked, mostly on the preview nights, IMO.

                          It seems to me that many just think he's a handicapper who has got lucky getting away from them on the front end, but need I remind you of a certain Flooring Porter, who was rated 105 at one point, before adopting front running tactics, and it took him all the way to winning two Stayers Hurdles.

                          I do think the change of tactics for Solness has made him a different, that and better ground, which almost looks a certainty currently.

                          He's beat Marine Nationale & Gaelic Warrior twice this season already, yet finds himself bigger in price still.
                          Would be some turnaround from getting beat half the straight in a handicap to winning a Queen Mother.
                          I appreciate you’re looking for value/alternatives to a shortie which in this race is what you should be doing, but you need something to happen to Jonbon I suspect….

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                          • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                            Possible he might get backed if the going was similar to his win last year ie soft/heavy. Otherwise it’s daft to think that on his form this season and the expected ground next week.
                            As said before I expect PT will see how they are at home this week and then choose. Be surprised if he’s not almost made his mind up to ride Energ, he’s proven at this level, GW is not,and has looked in better form this season.
                            As a jockey he'll have half an eye on the future and Gaelic is fully 4 years Energumenes junior. Energumene has also had a full season off which must play a part in his thinking. He'll also not be forgetting how easily he put them away in last year's Arkle and the fact that that race has produced plenty of winners since. I'm not convinced he needs it deep. I reckon Cheltenham and the Festival itself just suits him and brings out the best in him. Of the two, it could actually be Energumene who will be more inconvenienced by ground conditions. All the above leads me to think he'll pick Gaelic and there's no way Energumene will be shorter than him in the betting if he does.

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                            • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

                              Would be some turnaround from getting beat half the straight in a handicap to winning a Queen Mother.
                              I appreciate you’re looking for value/alternatives to a shortie which in this race is what you should be doing, but you need something to happen to Jonbon I suspect….
                              Change of tactics, better ground, both positives for Solness.

                              Flooring Porter was beat off 118, 119, 130 & 131, before he went on his run.

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                              • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                                Change of tactics, better ground, both positives for Solness.

                                Flooring Porter was beat off 118, 119, 130 & 131, before he went on his run.
                                Noted, but the Stayers is guff….

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