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  • Originally posted by Runragged View Post
    No point producing your best in January when the goal is in March. Jonbon did it well and comfortably with another performance that looks to be mid to low 170s RPR. It's a step up on first run for Energumene as well, though I don't believe he needs soft/heavy ground, it's just he handles it better than other horses. His 2nd best RPR came on good to yielding when destroying Chacun Pour Soi and this was the first time in 7 runs that he had been beaten under rules on ground faster than soft. Edwardstone is back out to 100/1, beat just over 10 lengths, but only 4 behind Energumene. Still think it is a bonkers e/w price considering the race should cut up and if we do get a strong pace to the race then he will be staying on at the finish to pick up the pieces.
    Yeah think it will be a strong pace.
    The French horse turns up it surely will be, and even if he doesn’t, Jonbon won’t be messing around.

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    • Is it mad or too contrarian to suggest the best bet at this point in time in the QMCC is Il Est Francais NRNB. I jut feel that if he turns up here he has got a great chance to get out front and out jump them all over 2miles. He has real pace and jumps like a stag. His trainer has said the Ryanair to too competitive (he might be bluffing) and the horse won't get 3m2f against genuine Stayers like GDC and FTF. 6/1 with b365.

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      • Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post
        Is it mad or too contrarian to suggest the best bet at this point in time in the QMCC is Il Est Francais NRNB. I jut feel that if he turns up here he has got a great chance to get out front and out jump them all over 2miles. He has real pace and jumps like a stag. His trainer has said the Ryanair to too competitive (he might be bluffing) and the horse won't get 3m2f against genuine Stayers like GDC and FTF. 6/1 with b365.
        I would say it’s an interesting bet but not necessarily the best bet.
        Jonbon can travel at pace and Won’t be too far behind imo.
        I think if you were on Jonbon(as I am)it would make sense to have some sort of cover bet with IEF as he could be a freak at 2m. We just don’t know.

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        • I think there are doubts about all the likely participants.
          Which makes betting on the race tricky.
          But at the prices, especially when he was 9's and 8's but even now, Il Est Francais looks the most likely to be shorter SP IF he lines up.
          The rest are probably not well priced, although it's hard to assess the rankers.
          Libberty Hunter 33-1ew NRNB aint too bad. If the race cuts up to less than the 8.

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          • If it's not a proper Soft festival then I'd say the chances of Gaelic and Energumene are severely dented leaving Jonbon as the one to beat. If we get spring ground I could see the French horse bouncing out in front and really putting it up to everyone. He'd be very hard to catch imo. At last though we look to have a very decent race on our hands unlike the last few years where, quite honestly, it's been proper dull. Wet Fez and Gaelic cruises up.

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            • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
              If it's not a proper Soft festival then I'd say the chances of Gaelic and Energumene are severely dented leaving Jonbon as the one to beat. If we get spring ground I could see the French horse bouncing out in front and really putting it up to everyone. He'd be very hard to catch imo. At last though we look to have a very decent race on our hands unlike the last few years where, quite honestly, it's been proper dull. Wet Fez and Gaelic cruises up.
              I be would say a wet festival makes this race more open.
              On better ground Jonbon is a stand out this season.
              The French horse could be anything over 2m!!
              As I said, we just don’t know.
              I am confident though after watching his last two races that Jonbon will be able to lay up with a fast pace .
              Guess it depends on how freakish the French horse may be.

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              • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                I be would say a wet festival makes this race more open.
                On better ground Jonbon is a stand out this season.
                The French horse could be anything over 2m!!
                As I said, we just don’t know.
                I am confident though after watching his last two races that Jonbon will be able to lay up with a fast pace .
                Guess it depends on how freakish the French horse may be.
                Not sure Nici would want to lay up with him. Could be his undoing. Wouldn't want to be giving too much ground away though. The French horse in there would be a proper spanner.

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                • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                  Not sure Nici would want to lay up with him. Could be his undoing. Wouldn't want to be giving too much ground away though. The French horse in there would be a proper spanner.
                  Yep it’s the unknown that makes it fascinating if he turns up.
                  If he’s there it just depends how quick he goes.
                  Jonbon was quick yesterday.
                  Definitely a potential spanner I agree.

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                  • We regularly agree that Kempton form is the polar opposite to Cheltenham form. I'd like to see Il Est Francais tackle Cheltenham in the same manner to going right handed on a flat course sch as Kempton.

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                    • Originally posted by Irish Rugby View Post
                      We regularly agree that Kempton form is the polar opposite to Cheltenham form. I'd like to see Il Est Francais tackle Cheltenham in the same manner to going right handed on a flat course sch as Kempton.
                      That's the big concern for that horse IMO.

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                      • Originally posted by Irish Rugby View Post
                        We regularly agree that Kempton form is the polar opposite to Cheltenham form. I'd like to see Il Est Francais tackle Cheltenham in the same manner to going right handed on a flat course sch as Kempton.
                        Yep fair point that.

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                        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                          If it's not a proper Soft festival then I'd say the chances of Gaelic and Energumene are severely dented leaving Jonbon as the one to beat. If we get spring ground I could see the French horse bouncing out in front and really putting it up to everyone. He'd be very hard to catch imo. At last though we look to have a very decent race on our hands unlike the last few years where, quite honestly, it's been proper dull. Wet Fez and Gaelic cruises up.
                          I think you’re putting too much onus on the ground Lobos. I don’t for 1 minute think Energumene and Gaelic Warrior can’t run on good to soft ground. They may handle heavier conditions better than others but see no issue with good to soft. Trainers come out with that tripe after every defeat, aka Xmas when GW was beat.

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                          • Matata puts in a performance which could be pushing 170 RPR, destroying the field today off a mark of 155. Grand Annual would be ruled out so could well take his chance and be another pace angle in the Champion Chase.

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                            • Originally posted by Runragged View Post
                              Matata puts in a performance which could be pushing 170 RPR, destroying the field today off a mark of 155. Grand Annual would be ruled out so could well take his chance and be another pace angle in the Champion Chase.
                              Ladbrokes sleeping and still have him at 80's which can be boosted to 90's so had an EW nibble.

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                              • Originally posted by Irish Rugby View Post
                                We regularly agree that Kempton form is the polar opposite to Cheltenham form. I'd like to see Il Est Francais tackle Cheltenham in the same manner to going right handed on a flat course sch as Kempton.
                                Trainer just thinks that it's the English fences he enjoys as opposed to course bias.

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