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2025 Ryanair Chase

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  • Originally posted by Yosser View Post

    Sounds like retirement. Wonder if Martin Brassil is paying attention re - King George
    Bleeding that occurs from the lungs, usually after strenuous exercise.

    It's worth pointing out this was the first time Il Est Francais had gone beyond 2m6f on very soft (basically our heavy) ground. Obviously he went 3m on 'Good' at Kempton but we all know Kempton is an 'easy' 3m compared with most courses.

    Depending on how serious it is, they can come back from it though.

    If he does come back I hope they knock these excessive trips on the head with him. I'm not convinced it's what he wants, never have been. His racing style that we saw a Kempton would never in a million years make you believe he wanted 3m 3 1/2f on what was essentially our heavy ground.

    If he does make it back and they think he's in good health, he's now a hell of a price still, based on last seasons performance over here.

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    • I'd be shocked if they were to run him in the KG now. He'll surely be given a long break now and if he were to target a race at the festival he'd run in either the Ryanair or an outside chance of running in the Queen Mother. Like COD says, knock anything beyond 3m on the head.

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      • I'm happy to be on Gaelic Warrior for the King George thanks to Tony Mullins saying he was being trained for it but where do you see him after that race? He is such an enigma this horse. Could he go from 3m back down to 2m or are they thinking that mid trip or more of a staying trip for him? His versatility is a pain in the arse for punters.

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        • Great 'problem' to have though for Willie Yosser. He'll just fit in anywhere where it suits . Not so good for punters.

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          • Originally posted by Yosser View Post
            I'm happy to be on Gaelic Warrior for the King George thanks to Tony Mullins saying he was being trained for it but where do you see him after that race? He is such an enigma this horse. Could he go from 3m back down to 2m or are they thinking that mid trip or more of a staying trip for him? His versatility is a pain in the arse for punters.
            I think he goes Ryanair if Willie thinks the combination of El Fabiolo/Energumene can beat Jonbon.

            I think Energumene could easily beat Jonbon in the Clarence House and, if fit, El Fabiolo will have won the 2m Xmas Grade 1 at Leopardstown so there's a strong chance of that happening.

            I think if El Fabs/Energumene aren't up to it over 2m, he'll go QMCC - I can't see this situation happening as there's limited competition in Ireland over 2m.

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            • Originally posted by Odin View Post

              I think he goes Ryanair if Willie thinks the combination of El Fabiolo/Energumene can beat Jonbon.

              I think Energumene could easily beat Jonbon in the Clarence House and, if fit, El Fabiolo will have won the 2m Xmas Grade 1 at Leopardstown so there's a strong chance of that happening.

              I think if El Fabs/Energumene aren't up to it over 2m, he'll go QMCC - I can't see this situation happening as there's limited competition in Ireland over 2m.
              Brave calls imo
              You are assuming Energ comes back from setback and at his age is still as good, and the he gets soft ground which imo he needs to beat Jonbon.
              And also assuming EF jumps well enough, as he has not on his last two runs.
              Personally I would say GW and J are more solid options for the QM right now.
              I be would say though, if EF comes out and jumps well I would have him as number 1 for the stable.
              In that scenario maybe Energ for this race?
              Last edited by Carnage at Taunton; 18 November 2024, 11:16 AM.

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              • "I'm happy to be on Gaelic Warrior for the King George thanks to Tony Mullins saying he was being trained for it"

                Where did you get this from Yosser? Seems odd him coming out with that before connections commented. R4H reckons IET is Willies horse for the race. Very unlikely he'd send two big guns for it imo. He's not done it before.

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                • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                  "I'm happy to be on Gaelic Warrior for the King George thanks to Tony Mullins saying he was being trained for it"

                  Where did you get this from Yosser? Seems odd him coming out with that before connections commented. R4H reckons IET is Willies horse for the race. Very unlikely he'd send two big guns for it imo. He's not done it before.
                  Having spent most of last season backing Gaelic Warrior all over the place for the Festival I’m not sure that logic will play much part this season. If they go for the KG then logic might say the Ryanair due to trip factors but I’m convinced they will revert to 2m and the CC. They went that trip last year. It’s more prestigious. There is a link between Arkle winners and CC. But there I go again bringing logic to bear on the q. !

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                  • No mention of a Pulmonary Haemorrhage from the trainer today regarding Il Est Francais. "Physically all is well" supposedly, although being sent to the top veterinary clinic in France for a full examination.

                    Make of that what you will.

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                    • It was the French trainer that claimed that issue in France gallop last night. George didn’t mention anything like that when I listened to his interview.

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                      • If ‘all is well’ then he ain’t a 10/1 shot for the KG is he…….last years Kempton romp lives long in the memory

                        Let’s hope he gets a clean bill of health after his checkup, a months rest and then travels over to Kempton to do a Kauto !

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                        • Originally posted by Wayward Lad View Post
                          If ‘all is well’ then he ain’t a 10/1 shot for the KG is he…….last years Kempton romp lives long in the memory

                          Let’s hope he gets a clean bill of health after his checkup, a months rest and then travels over to Kempton to do a Kauto !
                          If all is well (let’s hope so) then surely that would send alarm bells ringing. 2 of his last 3 runs he’s just cut out. Was that Kempton run a performance way above? Did that run take too much out of him at a young age? Even at 10/1 I wouldn’t even back him for place money.

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                          • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                            Brave calls imo
                            You are assuming Energ comes back from setback and at his age is still as good, and the he gets soft ground which imo he needs to beat Jonbon.
                            And also assuming EF jumps well enough, as he has not on his last two runs.
                            Personally I would say GW and J are more solid options for the QM right now.
                            I be would say though, if EF comes out and jumps well I would have him as number 1 for the stable.
                            In that scenario maybe Energ for this race?
                            In this scenario, do you have El Fabiolo and Gaelic Warrior racing against each other in the QMCC?

                            If you do, I can see where we differ and I wish you good luck as I think that's a braver call than mine!

                            If not, and you think Gaelic goes Ryanair, our difference is that you think Energumene won't beat Jonbon, which is a reasonable doubt to have but means our positions are much closer than your post suggests

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                            • Personally I’ve written off Energumene for this and the champ chase from a win perspective. Yes he could come back and pick up a grade 1 somewhere during the season but I can’t picture him winning at the festival. Moscow flyer the only 11 yr old to win the champ chase since 1978 and no 11 yr old has ever won the Ryanair since it started 20 years ago. Yes he’s lightly raced but to do it on the back of a season off through injury at his age will be too big an ask imo. Gaelic Warriors Arkle form keeps getting boosted and he’s the 1 to beat surely if he goes for the champ chase and I think he will

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                              • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post
                                It was the French trainer that claimed that issue in France gallop last night. George didn’t mention anything like that when I listened to his interview.
                                It was his owner wasn't it ? Perhaps he was talking about why he was in the sidelines so long last time ? Maybe a reacurrance? I'd be horrified if he ran in the KG even though I've backed him .

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