2025 Champion Hurdle

[ComplyOrDie]

Any of the others moving the other way ?? More injury woes ?? Lossie perhaps going Mares ??

Lossiemouth still going for the Champion according to Willie.

[darlojim]

Lossiemouth still going for the Champion according to Willie.

I do think when it comes to it, they will end up in the Mares with her (which goes against everything willie is saying currently )

Rich loves a winner, and that looks like being his only strong chance of that at the minute really - Sainte lucie blew out, Gaelic blew out, Willy de weapon got hammered with 138)

It ensures Paul sticks to State Man in the Champion and gives him Lossie in the Mares also

[ComplyOrDie]

I do think when it comes to it, they will end up in the Mares with her (which goes against everything willie is saying currently )

Rich loves a winner, and that looks like being his only strong chance of that at the minute really - Sainte lucie blew out, Gaelic blew out, Willy de weapon got hammered with 138)

It ensures Paul sticks to State Man in the Champion and gives him Lossie in the Mares also

I can see the logic, for sure, however, I think it would annoy me more than Hendo has if they go against their '2 year plan' though!

Willie doesn't care that he'd annoy me though

[Quevega]

They will only even consider the mares if BDA is not running there.

[darlojim]

You think that they fear BDA more than Con Hill?

Or just the fact that it wouldn't be a penalty kick in essence? Which yeah I could see, if BDA is in Mares why not just go for the big en

[Quevega]

You think that they fear BDA more than Con Hill?

Or just the fact that it wouldn't be a penalty kick in essence? Which yeah I could see, if BDA is in Mares why not just go for the big en

Exactly this.

[riccirich]

Possibly something to do with brighterdaysaheads gallop yesterday that's leading to people putting 2 and 2 together? Don't know if anyone saw or heard anything about how it went but if she was very keen or something that might have something to do with it.

[Lobos]

They will only even consider the mares if BDA is not running there.

If Gordon is true to his word then we should know a week before the Fez. Even if they do say Mares, if something then happened to CH in the few days after their decision, it'll all change again.

[Kevloaf]

It's really hard to see the mares actually running against each other in this race (or either race) ..... for them to clash here what has to happen?


Gordon has said they come out a week before and say where BDA is going.... if that was the case and they say Champion Hurdle..... Lossie will get smashed to bits for the Mares .... the 9/4 NRNB price for her will be long gone

If BDA goes Mares, they will 'stick to the 2 year plan' as they've not really got anything to lose?




Lossiemouth NRNB at 9/4 with Brighterdaysahead in the Champion Hurdle might be worth considering (probably NRNB too) - at 6.3/1



I suppose if Con Hill was out, that's the only way they'll actually clash? Then you've still probably just got left a fair enough bet with doing the above NRNB




What am I missing?

[riccirich]

It's really hard to see the mares actually running against each other in this race (or either race) ..... for them to clash here what has to happen?


Gordon has said they come out a week before and say where BDA is going.... if that was the case and they say Champion Hurdle..... Lossie will get smashed to bits for the Mares .... the 9/4 NRNB price for her will be long gone

If BDA goes Mares, they will 'stick to the 2 year plan' as they've not really got anything to lose?




Lossiemouth NRNB at 9/4 with Brighterdaysahead in the Champion Hurdle might be worth considering (probably NRNB too) - at 6.3/1



I suppose if Con Hill was out, that's the only way they'll actually clash? Then you've still probably just got left a fair enough bet with doing the above NRNB




What am I missing?

I'm kind of just hoping that because its been talked about so much and there's so much focus on it, whoever ducks out to the mares with they're tail between they're legs will look like the ultimate cowards. so hopefully there's a lot of pride and stubbornness on both sides that might prevent them from doing that, and the clash might happen.

I think back to how disappointed rich ricci was to win the Ryanair with vautour, thinking he could have won the gold cup. So I'm not sure he'd be pushing to go for the mares just to get a win, if mullins is happy to go for the champion hurdle. Gordon seems to be pushing for the champion too for BDA, so I think it might come down to the o'learys. Hopefully the prospect of winning a first champion hurdle is a big deal for them.

[Carnage at Taunton]

I'm kind of just hoping that because its been talked about so much and there's so much focus on it, whoever ducks out to the mares with they're tail between they're legs will look like the ultimate cowards. so hopefully there's a lot of pride and stubbornness on both sides that might prevent them from doing that, and the clash might happen.

I think back to how disappointed rich ricci was to win the Ryanair with vautour, thinking he could have won the gold cup. So I'm not sure he'd be pushing to go for the mares just to get a win, if mullins is happy to go for the champion hurdle. Gordon seems to be pushing for the champion too for BDA, so I think it might come down to the o'learys. Hopefully the prospect of winning a first champion hurdle is a big deal for them.

I would not look at them as cowards if Lossie went Mares.
Having already lost to CH and having a crashing fall next time, they may think they can’t win the CH, especially if BDA goes CH too.
Think it would make perfect sense.
I do feel though that if they choose BDA for the Mares then that’s a bit cowardly, after watching her at Xmas.

[Irish Rugby]

Willie has been consistent throughout when asked about the 2 year plan. Gordon has continued to leave the door open.

At the moment, one comes across as a gentleman, the other, a scoundrel.

Of course come declaration day, both may still be regarded as such, it just that the 'gentleman' and 'scoundrel' may have swapped places.

[ComplyOrDie]

It's really hard to see the mares actually running against each other in this race (or either race) ..... for them to clash here what has to happen?


Gordon has said they come out a week before and say where BDA is going.... if that was the case and they say Champion Hurdle..... Lossie will get smashed to bits for the Mares .... the 9/4 NRNB price for her will be long gone

If BDA goes Mares, they will 'stick to the 2 year plan' as they've not really got anything to lose?




Lossiemouth NRNB at 9/4 with Brighterdaysahead in the Champion Hurdle might be worth considering (probably NRNB too) - at 6.3/1



I suppose if Con Hill was out, that's the only way they'll actually clash? Then you've still probably just got left a fair enough bet with doing the above NRNB




What am I missing?

Who go 9/4 NRNB for Lossiemouth?

Oddschecker were showing Bet365 but this was an error as I went to back it, the A/P price was infact 9/4.

[riccirich]

I would not look at them as cowards if Lossie went Mares.
Having already lost to CH and having a crashing fall next time, they may think they can’t win the CH, especially if BDA goes CH too.
Think it would make perfect sense.
I do feel though that if they choose BDA for the Mares then that’s a bit cowardly, after watching her at Xmas.

The thing is without the benefit of hindsight, they absolutely 100% can win the champion hurdle. She's never faced BDA, and her one run against con hill is a 2l defeat, with valid reasons for why she could possibly turn around that form.
And they keep talking publicly about how it has been a two year plan to win a champion hurdle this year, and that they are happy to go ahead with it despite the fall.
But then divert to the mares just because BDA decides to run here?
I think anyone with any sort of sporting pride would feel cowardly for ducking the challenge, i just dont know if they have that on both sides, maybe they'd be happy enough with a smaller win on both sides rather than risking it for the big one. I know they run and hide from each other all the time in the novice races, I'm just hoping in cases like this in the top races, where they've been so clear about the champion for lossie, that they might not want to be the ones seen to be backing down if BDA goes here.

[Carnage at Taunton]

The thing is without the benefit of hindsight, they absolutely 100% can win the champion hurdle. She's never faced BDA, and her one run against con hill is a 2l defeat, with valid reasons for why she could possibly turn around that form.
And they keep talking publicly about how it has been a two year plan to win a champion hurdle this year, and that they are happy to go ahead with it despite the fall.
But then divert to the mares just because BDA decides to run here?
I think anyone with any sort of sporting pride would feel cowardly for ducking the challenge, i just dont know if they have that on both sides, maybe they'd be happy enough with a smaller win on both sides rather than risking it for the big one. I know they run and hide from each other all the time in the novice races, I'm just hoping in cases like this in the top races, where they've been so clear about the champion for lossie, that they might not want to be the ones seen to be backing down if BDA goes here.

Hope so too, want them all in here.

I have no idea what both camps are thinking of course, just summising.
Lets be honest, both horses have shown they are worthy of running and both have given degrees of confidence for any backers.
But both camps know they have a serious chance of winning a different race.