2025 Gold Cup

[ComplyOrDie]

Cheers

Very disappointing decision though

Surely the Turners winner should be in the Ryanair at very least?

Good riddance to that race, shows how fucking pointless the Ryanair is as well

ComplyOrDie will bite

Haha it's not the race I'm bothered about, it's about making money from it

If it's there, I'll use it best I can

[Kevloaf]

Haha it's not the race I'm bothered about, it's about making money from it

If it's there, I'll use it best I can

You'd be better with fewer races though

Less chances to lose money




wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeey

[ComplyOrDie]

You'd be better with fewer races though

Less chances to lose money




wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeey

I'm used to losing by now

[BigChaang]

No Gold Cup for Grey Dawning. Aintree next.

Bollocks... kick in the , for some of my a/p bets . On @ 50 's too. .

[AaronLad]

I'm struggling to understand the decision to run stage star in the cotswold chase, but not give him an entry for the gold cup.
Owned by owners group, one of the most recognised syndicates in horse racing.

Having a runner in the gold cup would surely be an invaluable sales gimmick for them in the future.

Surely if you're one of the lucky people in stage stars syndicate, having a gold cup runner would have been the ultimate dream when first getting involved.

Paul Nicholls is denying these people this chance.
Why? To save him for the aintree bowl?
Fuck off Nicholls. Put your hand in your pocket and supplement this bloody horse.

Ok, its highly unlikely he could win.
He set a pace saturday he'll not get away with setting in a gold cup.
But why are these syndicate owners not having a dream fulfilled?

No wonder dan Skelton is proving to be such a cunt (i realise some of you like him, but I dont) when he learnt from this bloke.

[Quevega]

I'm struggling to understand the decision to run stage star in the cotswold chase, but not give him an entry for the gold cup.
Owned by owners group, one of the most recognised syndicates in horse racing.

Having a runner in the gold cup would surely be an invaluable sales gimmick for them in the future.

Surely if you're one of the lucky people in stage stars syndicate, having a gold cup runner would have been the ultimate dream when first getting involved.

Paul Nicholls is denying these people this chance.
Why? To save him for the aintree bowl?
Fuck off Nicholls. Put your hand in your pocket and supplement this bloody horse.

Ok, its highly unlikely he could win.
He set a pace saturday he'll not get away with setting in a gold cup.
But why are these syndicate owners not having a dream fulfilled?

No wonder dan Skelton is proving to be such a cunt (i realise some of you like him, but I dont) when he learnt from this bloke.

Well said.
Beggars belief really.
And his Aintree form ain't all that either.

Racing is much more about the what if's than the winning, it always has been.
Because there are many more what if's.
The build up and the dream of winning a big race is probably better than the winning for most people, and the horses being safe and well.

[Exar Essay]

Racing is much more about the what if's than the winning, it always has been.
Because there are many more what if's.
The build up and the dream of winning a big race is probably better than the winning for most people, and the horses being safe and well.

Paul should know this more than anyone, particularly in relation to Stage Star. Beating Mighty Potter and Appreciate It was no mean feat in the Turners.

[AaronLad]

Well said.
Beggars belief really.
And his Aintree form ain't all that either.

Racing is much more about the what if's than the winning, it always has been.
Because there are many more what if's.
The build up and the dream of winning a big race is probably better than the winning for most people, and the horses being safe and well.

This for me is what Nicholls is essentially denying the hundreds? Thousands? Of people part of that syndicate.
They get in at that level of ownership, usually through a gift or because that's all finances can allow, just imagine being able to tell your mate on the morning of the gold cup, "that's my horse"

I'm sure we have a member, who has shares in owners group horses, and I'm sure one is stage star, Leman14? Am I correct, and if so, whats your feeling on this?

[Carnage at Taunton]

Paul Nicholls is all about as much prize money as he can possibly get for his owners it seems to me, which ain’t a bad thing for an owner,so I can understand why he’s skipping the Gold Cup.
Getting outstayed by Lhomme Presse over 3m probably told him he has no chance in a Gold Cup.
However I can see the point about the owners club having a runner, if I were one I would probably want that.

[AaronLad]

Paul Nicholls is all about as much prize money as he can possibly get for his owners it seems to me, which ain’t a bad thing for an owner,so I can understand why he’s skipping the Gold Cup.
Getting outstayed by Lhomme Presse over 3m probably told him he has no chance in a Gold Cup.
However I can see the point about the owners club having a runner, if I were one I would probably want that.

He was carrying more weight.
it was his first ever run at that kind of distance
He achieved his highest rpr.
On a line through gentlemansgame you could argue the front 2 from the cotswold chase are not far away from the front 2 from the Savilles chase,


I don't think he can win it, definitely can't with no entry.

I'd like to see Nicholls come out and admit he's made a mistake, supplement stage star, and let the owners have this moment.

[Carnage at Taunton]

He was carrying more weight.
it was his first ever run at that kind of distance
He achieved his highest rpr.
On a line through gentlemansgame you could argue the front 2 from the cotswold chase are not far away from the front 2 from the Savilles chase,


I don't think he can win it, definitely can't with no entry.

I'd like to see Nicholls come out and admit he's made a mistake, supplement stage star, and let the owners have this moment.

Just trying to put his perspective on things and how he seems to operate
Dont mean I agree.

[archie]

Not running in the Gold Cup and winning the Aintree Bowl is better than running unplaced in the Gold Cup and not winning the Bowl because you bottomed in the GC. Nicholls knows that is true via Clan Des Obeaux and it wouldn't be a million miles away from our experience with Kemboy.

[AaronLad]

Not running in the Gold Cup and winning the Aintree Bowl is better than running unplaced in the Gold Cup and not winning the Bowl because you bottomed in the GC. Nicholls knows that is true via Clan Des Obeaux and it wouldn't be a million miles away from our experience with Kemboy.

But you went in 3 gold cups with kemboy
The year you skipped cheltenham, he finished 3rd at aintree.

Stage stars aintree form as has been highlighted is shit.
He's won 3 times at Cheltenham.

He's a different horse to clan des obeaux
He enjoyed flat tracks like kempton and aintree
He didn't like Cheltenham.

I'm starting to sound like I want him to run because I think he can win, I don't.
But I couldn't rule him out of a place
And that would be special for the owners

[Leman14]

This for me is what Nicholls is essentially denying the hundreds? Thousands? Of people part of that syndicate.
They get in at that level of ownership, usually through a gift or because that's all finances can allow, just imagine being able to tell your mate on the morning of the gold cup, "that's my horse"

I'm sure we have a member, who has shares in owners group horses, and I'm sure one is stage star, Leman14? Am I correct, and if so, whats your feeling on this?

Yep still very much involved and I'm "OK" with it.

On the face of it - it was a good performance BUT, like the Turners, he was able to dictate the fractions up front, run at a crawl and inject some pace in the last half-mile or so.
It's was first effort over 3 miles and an extra 2 furlongs plus the fact that he's unlikely to be able to dictate a slow pace from the front - I wouldn't see him with any hope.

Whenever he is taken on for the lead - he gets swallowed up.

I would LOVE to own a Gold Cup runner, but it's a bit like when Pentland Hills ran in the Champion Hurdle....
He never really had much of a chance and as such, it wasn't a "memorable" experience.

I would argue that I'd remember Stage Star's handicap victories (and Turners victory) far longer than coming 8th in a Gold Cup.

(His record at Aintree isn't great BUT it's normally after running at Cheltenham and he runs better fresh)

[AaronLad]

Yep still very much involved and I'm "OK" with it.

On the face of it - it was a good performance BUT, like the Turners, he was able to dictate the fractions up front, run at a crawl and inject some pace in the last half-mile or so.
It's was first effort over 3 miles and an extra 2 furlongs plus the fact that he's unlikely to be able to dictate a slow pace from the front - I wouldn't see him with any hope.

Whenever he is taken on for the lead - he gets swallowed up.

I would LOVE to own a Gold Cup runner, but it's a bit like when Pentland Hills ran in the Champion Hurdle....
He never really had much of a chance and as such, it wasn't a "memorable" experience.

I would argue that I'd remember Stage Star's handicap victories (and Turners victory) far longer than coming 8th in a Gold Cup.

(His record at Aintree isn't great BUT it's normally after running at Cheltenham and he runs better fresh)

Thanks for the reply.
The gold cup is only 1/2 a furlong further than Saturday
Id agree he wouldnt get to dictate, but hes unexposed as a stayer, ridden differrently with more confidence he stays you never know,
He gave weight to Lhomme presse Saturday he finished 4th in last years gold cup, with that weight reversal that could be stage star, maybe even better.

I'll stop now, thanks for your thoughts and good luck with him