2025 Gold Cup

[Lobos]

Screamed King George

[darlojim]

Job done, onto the next day now

Ive cover for both Ryanair and GC

I've no doubt he would probably win the Ryanair unless one or 2 turn up which is debatable

The GC I personally don't think will suit his style of racing, but if he were to win the KG, connections might find it hard turning down the opportunity

[DenmanSacre]

He's only 6, going on 7 next festival. Go Ryanair then Gold Cup. Worked for Imperial Commander (won both), Don Cossack (3rd then 1st), A Plus Tard (3rd and 1st). He can bowl out in front in the Ryanair and also get that valuable course experience for a tilt at the GC the following season.

[Guinness Village]

Just my opinion, but I don’t like the smell of the frenchie. Didn’t last year and still not keen now. Same for theleme.
might be bitten on ass this season mind

[Bollinger]

Interesting Il Est Francais’ next scheduled run in November over just under 3 miles 4f - the Prix Jousselin

[Lobos]

Interesting Il Est Francais’ next scheduled run in November over just under 3 miles 4f - the Prix Jousselin

They'll just play it by ear if he remains unbeaten up until the Fez. They'll just size up the GC opposition at that time I expect.

[Eggs]

…PP/BFSB have Ile est Francais a best price 20-1 for this after his win yesterday (14-1 Ryanair).

[Quevega]

Just my opinion, but I don’t like the smell of the frenchie. Didn’t last year and still not keen now. Same for theleme.
might be bitten on ass this season mind

I'm in the same boat, rightly or wrongly.

[Fouroverthrutwo]

Just my opinion, but I don’t like the smell of the frenchie. Didn’t last year and still not keen now. Same for theleme.
might be bitten on ass this season mind

Could be the garlic Guinness Village

[Fouroverthrutwo]

I'm in the same boat, rightly or wrongly.

What puts you off Q? I can understand if you don't want to back him for any race this far out but surely his performances in the Kauto Star Novices last year and yesterday's performance were impressive on the eye and on the clock? No? He still has to prove it at Grade 1 level but he's doing it well for a young, inexperienced horse.

[Quevega]

What puts you off Q? I can understand if you don't want to back him for any race this far out but surely his performances in the Kauto Star Novices last year and yesterday's performance were impressive on the eye and on the clock? No? He still has to prove it at Grade 1 level but he's doing it well for a young, inexperienced horse.

I think it's more the trainer and him being based in France rather than the horse's performances.

As an antepost bet it isn't as solid as I'd like as he has lots of options and the trainer talks a fair bit - which is natural (I don't blame him) as he looks an exciting horse for such a small yard.
Just something about the way he communicates that puts me off, from a trust perspective.

For example the pre race comments about the Ryanair being potentially more suitable and then post race suggesting his next race is likely to be over the Gold cup trip.
Don't get me wrong, there's a big difference in the 2 races irrespective of the distance being the same/similar but just seems to suggest some confusion IMO. I accept it could be great race planning and good experience for the Spring though.
But lets not forget his big target last year was the Grand steeple chase and he never got there, as he fluffed his lines in his prep run.

I'm not convinced that the form is as good as it looks also, but I can go along with the argument that it's good enough.

He's the type of horse I would back for sure but probably much closer to the race. And accept a potentially/likely shorter price.
He's not good enough for me to consider him a horse I could back for 2 targets as I rarely do this and am aware I should do it far less than I do, as the odds rarely work out in the long run.

And I'm not interested in an any race bet on a horse like this either as betting horses like him any race rarely offers value. As does most of that market, aside from horses with multiple options.

[Quevega]

A more succinct way of putting it is I think the trainer is a bit flaky.
Which is Flocconeux in French

[Fouroverthrutwo]

A more succinct way of putting it is I think the trainer is a bit flaky.
Which is Flocconeux in French

Understand the trainer misgivings. His old.man is a strange sort also. Too many teeth.

[Bollinger]

I think it's more the trainer and him being based in France rather than the horse's performances.

As an antepost bet it isn't as solid as I'd like as he has lots of options and the trainer talks a fair bit - which is natural (I don't blame him) as he looks an exciting horse for such a small yard.
Just something about the way he communicates that puts me off, from a trust perspective.

For example the pre race comments about the Ryanair being potentially more suitable and then post race suggesting his next race is likely to be over the Gold cup trip.
Don't get me wrong, there's a big difference in the 2 races irrespective of the distance being the same/similar but just seems to suggest some confusion IMO. I accept it could be great race planning and good experience for the Spring though.
But lets not forget his big target last year was the Grand steeple chase and he never got there, as he fluffed his lines in his prep run.

I'm not convinced that the form is as good as it looks also, but I can go along with the argument that it's good enough.

He's the type of horse I would back for sure but probably much closer to the race. And accept a potentially/likely shorter price.
He's not good enough for me to consider him a horse I could back for 2 targets as I rarely do this and am aware I should do it far less than I do, as the odds rarely work out in the long run.

And I'm not interested in an any race bet on a horse like this either as betting horses like him any race rarely offers value. As does most of that market, aside from horses with multiple options.

Very good narrative here. Well written.

[Killiney]

….just to note, PP/BFSB offer;

IEF 50-1 KG/RY.

. PP now 22/1