2025 Novice Chasers

[riccirich]

I'm not looking at the Kagese line of form at all as the reason I think Sir Gino is better

They'll both win G1's

Honestly it is the working al over Con Hill .... which I know is mental

But even if that wasn't true, it's still impressive

How many horses have worked all over the best we may have ever seen?


I remember thinking Shishkin was over rated before he won the Supreme, and we look at Jonbon.... he got walloped but take CH away and h'es a RIDICULOUS Supreme winner going on to do special things



Sir Gino IMO is special, Maj i just a G1 winner for Willie, which is still amazing, but not special

Fair enough. I'd personally just rather go by the only sort of form line that there is, which still sees sir gino a bit ahead anyway, but as I say not by a lot.

I'd find it hard to put much stock in the gallop. If con hill still would of ran in the fighting fifth and won easy then I would have been thinking sir gino may be unbeatable. The fact that he didnt just makes me wonder what type of con hill he was working all over.

If you asked me who would win in a 2m chase at kempton between ballyburn and Firefox, I genuinely wouldn't be sure, which I think is a big part of the reason why I'm a bit sceptical of whether sir gino is as far ahead of majborough as some would think.

[Lobos]

Gino declared for the Game Spirit, all stand their ground bar Djelo.

L'eau Du Sud in the Kingmaker. Rubaud also declared for that.

He's taking on some very experienced chasers. I imagine SG backers will be nervous. He'll either batter them or get bullied. Very, very interesting race and by no means a gimme .

[Craigy14]

I’m with Kev here too, I think Gino is the next superstar from seven barrows.

Look at his campaign? When does Henderson ever campaign horses like this? He has the horses scared of their own shadow at times all joking aside the confidence he has in this horse to go for an open Grade 1 hurdle race, to novice chasing, to now taking on open chase horses. Henderson doesn’t get many wrong with 2m chasers (2m hurdlers as well for that matter) and I think he’s a certainty in March.

Good horses Saturday but not Grade 1 chasers, yes it’s a grade 2, he’s also getting weight off them all bar Matata who himself is just out of novice company and ran just 20 days ago. I think he’ll wallop them.

[Big Bucks]

I think a few of us expected it, per RP article from Henry:

Inthepocket has had a setback and won't contest the Arkle.

[Guinness Village]

The beast cometh on Sunday and will warm up for a smashing victory in the BANC

[Guinness Village]

Always betterdaysahead

[Killiney]

Sir Gino out tomorrow with a ‘minor’ cut.

[Splinterboy82]

Whilst only on paper a minor issue for Sir Gino, just NOT what I wanted to see. Was all going too well……Hendo not so great when having to make a plan B approach with his best horses

[Odin]

It's really shocking timing but I hope Hendo doesn't go on a wallowing run of self-pity in interviews. At the end of the day, he chose to go Fighting Fifth with SG instead of his usual Kempton starting point for novice chasers. This hold up wouldn't have been a problem if he'd run in the two Kempton races.

I don't think it matters anyway - if SG puts in the performance he put in at Kempton at Cheltenham, he wins as far as I'm concerned.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Hendo saying he should be fine next week.
Looking at Kempton 2 weeks time, 2m 4 Nov chase, although distance not ideal he says

[Quevega]

It's really shocking timing but I hope Hendo doesn't go on a wallowing run of self-pity in interviews. At the end of the day, he chose to go Fighting Fifth with SG instead of his usual Kempton starting point for novice chasers. This hold up wouldn't have been a problem if he'd run in the two Kempton races.

I don't think it matters anyway - if SG puts in the performance he put in at Kempton at Cheltenham, he wins as far as I'm concerned.

He's already warbled on about no alternative races for him. Like the industry should schedule one for him.

Who's fault is it Nicky ?

Don't start a novice chase campaign in December would be my advice.

If you don't get them out early then that's the risks you take unfortunately.

Crack on and stop moaning.

[Odin]

He's already warbled on about no alternative races for him. Like the industry should schedule one for him.

Who's fault is it Nicky ?

Don't start a novice chase campaign in December would be my advice.

If you don't get them out early then that's the risks you take unfortunately.

Crack on and stop moaning.

To be fair, I don't think the message that he's put out is specifically moaning - it's more a statement of the facts. I think if he continues to go on about it, it would be.

I would however say the scheduling could be better for everyone - having the 2m Novice Chase and the 2m Open Chase on the same day rather than a week apart is a strange one when you think about it. At least if they were a weak apart you could choose to run a novice in the open chase if they missed the novice the week before.

[Carnage at Taunton]

He's already warbled on about no alternative races for him. Like the industry should schedule one for him.

Who's fault is it Nicky ?

Don't start a novice chase campaign in December would be my advice.

If you don't get them out early then that's the risks you take unfortunately.

Crack on and stop moaning.

Is he moaning? Or just saying it as it is? two options of races one at Kempton that’s not ideal and one at Bangor that’s dangerously close to the Arkle.
Hes won two nice races for the owners this season.
Just got a tad unlucky here.
It happens and I’m sure he will crack on.

[Quevega]

To be fair, I don't think the message that he's put out is specifically moaning - it's more a statement of the facts. I think if he continues to go on about it, it would be.

I would however say the scheduling could be better for everyone - having the 2m Novice Chase and the 2m Open Chase on the same day rather than a week apart is a strange one when you think about it. At least if they were a weak apart you could choose to run a novice in the open chase if they missed the novice the week before.

Yeah, fair point, and typical of him to warble, even though he knew all this anyway.

They are for older horses and novices I suppose the organisers would say.
It is uncommon for a novice to go into open company really.

But the kempton race over further should do him no harm at all.
He'll be running against gash.
There's also plenty of novice handicap chases he could run in

[Quevega]

Is he moaning? Or just saying it as it is? two options of races one at Kempton that’s not ideal and one at Bangor that’s dangerously close to the Arkle.
Hes won two nice races for the owners this season.
Just got a tad unlucky here.
It happens and I’m sure he will crack on.

Yeah, "whittering" is probably fairer.